Discussion in 'European Special Operations' started by Trip_Wire, Jun 3, 2010.
I loved the shots of that "Corner Shot" thingy with a Glock pistol stuck inside it.
They used that in the movie "Wanted" with Anglina Jolie.
Shayetet(Hebrew for "squadron") 13. Israel's elite Naval commando unit. All of them go through the CT school at Mitkan Adam where I am an instructor. Very good motivated unit. A lot of the ones go to America after discharged and work casino security in Las Vegas. There is a growing demand for them.
Any chance of you taking some Americans for CT school over there?
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The school is rarely open to foreign students but we do take some. You have to understand that the budget and the schools logistical capabilities demand that we give priority to our own forces who need this training.
Most of the foreign students that we instruct come from European countries but some come from other places. I've only seen a few American military people at the school and i've been instructing since 2003. Most come not as individuals but as part of a unit that comes here for training. The last time I remember Americans here was in 2008 and they were part of a contingent of American troops that were to be responsible for training the Palestinian security militias in the West Bank.
My favorite part of their compound was the monkey bars you had to climb through to get into their chow hall. I dug that.
The weapon in the picture (Cornershot closeup at 01:47) is a 92F which is not issued to Israeli units.
HaChayal, should you be posting base named and who trains there????
This is public information, anyone who can read Hebrew and go to the defense ministry website and research can find this information. Nothing I have discussed falls under things I am obligated not to talk about. Discretion is important but what I am saying in the above is hardly news or classified.
And some IDF units do use the 92F as a sidearm. Another unit uses the Glcok 17 and Sig p226. I prefer our domestic Jericho though.
Perhaps not classified, but out of interest, please post a link for me indicating that the IDF teaches foreign militaries, location and their mission assignment. Last time i was at the base (last year) it was still sensitive as to who was there and why...
I was very surprised to the that the IDF has a training site for infantry related training - did you know about that? (very bad site BTW..)
Which units (if you can say) ? AFAIK, the 92F in particular is difficult to use in the Israeli "draw and cock" method due to it's narrow slide and safety location causing the safety to be "locked safe" unintentionally after racking the slide. Please explain why units would use this weapon? I've never heard of it, not saying it's not true, just saying i've never heard of it. You write "another unit uses Glock 17", actually, any unit (that has a sidearm) not using the G17 would be the exception. Is the 941 used by the IDF? I know they were tested (circa '96) and rejected which is when the IDF moved to G17.
BTW, do you work (privately) as an instructor too?
The last time an American group of students was here they were interviewed by the spokesmans unit(IDF's PR unit) about the training. I don't know if its still on the dover zahal site or not. There were also several articles in civilian newspapers here in Israel regarding their visit.
When foreign students come to the school we usually do not recieve information on what they will be doing afterwords or where they will be doing it. This was not the case General Dayton's unit. It was actually made a pretty big deal throughout the military leadership and Israel in general. We were told they would be training the PA police militias. I have had some certain suspicions sense then as to what it is they are teaching the PA forces but I will not discuss it in this thread.
Most of the time if we do know specifics of what a certain unit will be doing after their time at the base it is because they need a very specific skill set that they can draw on in a certain situation. This is something I cannot discusss at all.
The sensitivity and secrecy surrounding Mitkan Adam has less to do with what goes on here than how it goes on. Our biggest concern is that our techniques and tactics will be compromised by either an information leak from a student or instructor. I'm sure the army made you go through some sort of vetting process before allowing you admitance to the base or any of its courses.
I am not surpised about the website you mention. I have not been to it. Ten years ago such things would have been unthinkable. Sense then the army has become much more open about some things. Some things never change though. When an Israeli army person is interviewed by the media, they must blurr his or her face. When I began my mandatory service, in 1996, we could not even tell people where our fatigues were made. There was good cause because there were several instances of Palestinians using stolen army uniforms for terror attacks and kidnappings.
My unit trained with with the 92F soley for the purpose of eliminating dogs. Many terrorists in the territories make use of guard dogs. It used to be that a berreta .22 calibers was used for this but the 92F has a heavier round. We never used the pistol for combat though. We used the Kareen and Glock 19 for these purposes. The Kareen is our domestic Borwning Hi Power. Very good pistol.
The Jericho 941 was used through the 90s and into the early 2000s pretty common. It is used mainly by the police now but some IDF reserve officers and personnel still carry it by choice.
There isn't any standard sidearm in our army. You will see Jerichos, Baraks, the Kareen, Glocks. In our special forces it is even more varied. We recently began trials with the HK .45 USP. Our air force pilots carry a Ruger 9MM. I have seen submarine officers carrying the Steyr M. It isn't like in the U.S. where there is a standard sidearm.
I work privately as a security guard at a munitions factory. I have been hired out for jobs abroad before but not to instruct.
Thanks for taking the time.
I am very surprised regarding the 92F as usually the "dog" weapon as far as i know is a Ruger .22.
I am also surprised regarding the wide variety of weapons used as all the SF folks i've worked with used either the BHP or G17/19s.
Back in my day it was only the BHP by FN.
If you want, let me know when you're at the base and i'll come visit. I did basics there and am at the LOTAR school fairly often for various purposes.
Are you IDF or did you go to the school as a foreign student? If you are IDF, are you a sabra or an immigrant? I don't care either way, i'm just curious
It is nice to see we have some people from Israel. Baroch Haba ברוך הבא. I am just an interested American Squid who knows how to Google. IMHO you guys are awsome, do excellent work and put up with alot of crap. Again Baroch Haba.
I'm just curious as to why an Israeli SOF thread would be placed under the Euro SOF forum and not the Asian one?
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