PJs doing PJ things

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Eh, it boils down to the ongoing and probably permanent dichotomy and divergence of experience and actual care between those that work in a well lit sterile environment with everything and anything diagnostic potentially at their disposal to include near-unlimited manpower,

and those that have to do the same job under significantly more physical and mental pressures because they probably have gone drinking with the casualty as well as were near/saw/in, the point of injury, with ears, fingers, a belt, tshirts, a pen and some sticks.

The amount of medical "professionals" that want to wave around diplomas and time spent in education for clout compared to those that talk about positive outcomes and lessons learned from negative outcomes is telling. Then you give them anonymity upon the interwebs and ohmahlawd, they talkin.

Present company excluded if you thought you potentially weren't.
 
Devildoc said:
I know guys at the schoolhouse who absolutely loathe PJs as well as SEAL medics (ok, that one is largely earned). Like, to a pathologic degree.
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I don’t know that guys loathe PJ’s. Many guys do not think PJ’s are the best medics, because that is not exactly a Pjs job. They are rescue specialists not medics. There is also weird friction because they don’t go to SOCM, but they used to, and some people are still salty about it despite it being over 20+ years ago.

I hate to say this, but while you do have some insight into a small portion of interservice and job related aspects, you are an outsider, and thus the context is missing from your perspective. Many people have spent lots of time cross training with other units. Having seen SEALs operationally and medically, I for one am not impressed.

I’d take a J over a Seal medic any day. I’d take a CA medic over both of them, and an 18D, SARC or Ranger Regiment medic over anyone. Some of that is MOS bravado, some of it is me knowing first hand what the expectation is. PJ’s are paramedics, which is cool. SOCM is its own animal though. I’ve never met a PJ that wasn’t an excellent person and a stud, but I would choose a different person unless I needed to be extricated or carried off a cliff face.
 
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Oh, you don't hate to say it. You've said it before. I know my lane I'll step back into the shadow of being @Box special opstitute.

While we're at it, a direct quote was "I fucking hate pararescue, think they're God's gift to special operations." Maybe not "loathing" but good-natured interservice rivalry bantering.
 
TLDR20 said:
I don’t know that guys loathe PJ’s. Many guys do not think PJ’s are the best medics, because that is not exactly a Pjs job. They are rescue specialists not medics. There is also weird friction because they don’t go to SOCM, but they used to, and some people are still salty about it despite it being over 20+ years ago.

I hate to say this, but while you do have some insight into a small portion of interservice and job related aspects, you are an outsider, and thus the context is missing from your perspective. Many people have spent lots of time cross training with other units. Having seen SEALs operationally and medically, I for one am not impressed.

I’d take a J over a Seal medic any day. I’d take a CA medic over both of them, and an 18D, SARC or Ranger Regiment medic over anyone. Some of that is MOS bravado, some of it is me knowing first hand what the expectation is. PJ’s are paramedics, which is cool. SOCM is its own animal though. I’ve never met a PJ that wasn’t an excellent person and a stud, but I would choose a different person unless I needed to be extricated or carried off a cliff face.
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The 3 smartest, most capable SOF medics I’ve run into came from the Legion, 160th SOAR, and CAG (granted, he was a MD).
 
I'm watching live people get rescued from a Rollercoaster in Galveston thinking PJ''s with Helos would've had these folks out safely a long time ago.

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