The Quartermaster
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Pretty sure I am neither a hardliner or use whataboutism. Iran has always been a threat to the USA without any doubt. They were also a threat to credible world peace in the Middle East ever since 1979.
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And you're entitled to that opinion. A lot of intelligent people disagree. I've heard here that Joe Kent, Tucker Carlson, Tulsi Gabbard, etc. are just bumbling idiots? I choose to believe they know stuff. BB has been claiming Iran was going to nuke the world for more than 30 years and Trump claimed we completely destroyed their nuclear capability. The point is that because someone doesn't agree with war on Iran doesn't make them a antisemite. Its a fake narrative to sell a war.
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What makes one an anti-Semite is not one bit of outrage for OCT 7th when there was peace but they all blame Israel for it.
Iran has always been evil since '79, and they shouldn't have waited this long to have done it.
So we should have waited until Iran had nukes and long range missiles?
Kicking Iran's ass is like getting a bunch of guys together to kick the neighborhood bully's ass...from 3 neighborhoods over. They didn't have to do it, and maybe even got gassed up from guys in that far neighborhood that everyone hates. But at the end of the day....a bully got their ass kicked.
More bullies should get their asses kicked, but you know, politics and money and stuff. It would be great if a coalition of the willing could simply jump on their bikes...or just take the bus.... three neighborhoods over. But sometimes, you need a helicopter and B6 armored Hillux with a machine gun to get into that 3rd neighborhood. Even if that means you have to buy your helicopter, B6 armored Hillux, and machine gun from the only places in town that sell helicopters, B6 armored Hilluxes, and machine guns...at exorbitant prices.
Or the other option. Just let that third neighborhood go all to shit and hope the bullies and theives don't make their way to your nice part of town....or take the occasional hostage who happened to travel there, or go for business purposes....to show us how bad ass they really are. After all, its none of our business.
More bullies should get their asses kicked, but you know, politics and money and stuff. It would be great if a coalition of the willing could simply jump on their bikes...or just take the bus.... three neighborhoods over. But sometimes, you need a helicopter and B6 armored Hillux with a machine gun to get into that 3rd neighborhood. Even if that means you have to buy your helicopter, B6 armored Hillux, and machine gun from the only places in town that sell helicopters, B6 armored Hilluxes, and machine guns...at exorbitant prices.
Or the other option. Just let that third neighborhood go all to shit and hope the bullies and theives don't make their way to your nice part of town....or take the occasional hostage who happened to travel there, or go for business purposes....to show us how bad ass they really are. After all, its none of our business.
ThunderHorse
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Another massive piece of human excrement that your party loves. Seems a common theme.
But he puts on a MAGA hat and says he's Republican, so isn't he?
That's what you're claiming with Fuentes.
Idk why it's so hard to acknowledge that just because somebody "says" something doesnt mean yah need to take them at their word because you get to score points on the other "team".
That's just a childish way of viewing this shit.
ThunderHorse
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That's stretching. You know for a fact Piker is a part of the left. Groyper boy is saying that's where he's going. They're not the same at all.
ThunderHorse
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No, that would be a Logan Act violation.
At a bare minimum.
Holy hell my dude, do you not understand that Fuentes is trolling and has ulterior motives?
Why the fuck would you take what he says at face value?
Here: he's laying it out Barney style for you.
ThunderHorse
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It seems you consume much more of him and Piker than anyone else I know. All I know about Fuentes is that he's someone who clearly is vile.
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Fuentes is trolling.These influencers all campaigned for Trump based on promises he didn't keep and they now feel betrayed. They haven't left the GOP, they've left MAGA.
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I don''t care about Fuentes. I don't like him. He's not always wrong, but he is always weird. However, he has a huge following as an influencer and gained even more after Charlie Kirk's death. He has always been a troll and he's using his platform to call POTUS out on his broken promises. Some people just can't stand it when you criticize this POTUS. I voted Trump 3 times but I'll criticize him the same way I would criticize (insert your favorite Dem here) when he doesn't follow through.
The biggest problem in the last page or so is the reminder that Fuentes and Piker exist. Talk about two abject pieces of crap with outsized influence...Piker is a shit human being to say nothing of his garbage and hypocritical politics. Both "men" should be fired into the sun. Slowly.
Anyone following those two shitheads is basically a moron.
This whole war with Iran has me in a weird place both cheering it on and loathing its existence. It's ostensibly over a nuclear program we were told we'd obliterated a few months ago. Against an enemy that has probably directly or indirectly killed at least one American a year since about '79. We also have some pretty strong reporting that Israel extorted the US into attacking, so we have one of the most righteous wars in our history but for the wrong reasons.
I know from personal experience we knew of Iran's TBM and UAV threat at least back to 2014 or so (probably earlier). Yet, we always believed we could deal with them to a certain degree and I think the most recent shooting shows those estimates were wildly off the mark. Iran has done some serious damage to our air defenses in the region and that's not counting the missiles expended to intercept what was launched at us and our allies.
My penultimate thought: when are we going to seriously look at regime change because that is the ONLY way Iran ceases to be a threat? This limited strike nonsense is just that.
Anywho, y'all can argue over going to war or not, but I'd posit that both sides are right and both sides are wrong. This isn't "just" nukes and yet we distill every argument down to one topic? Nah.
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Anyone following those two shitheads is basically a moron.
This whole war with Iran has me in a weird place both cheering it on and loathing its existence. It's ostensibly over a nuclear program we were told we'd obliterated a few months ago. Against an enemy that has probably directly or indirectly killed at least one American a year since about '79. We also have some pretty strong reporting that Israel extorted the US into attacking, so we have one of the most righteous wars in our history but for the wrong reasons.
I know from personal experience we knew of Iran's TBM and UAV threat at least back to 2014 or so (probably earlier). Yet, we always believed we could deal with them to a certain degree and I think the most recent shooting shows those estimates were wildly off the mark. Iran has done some serious damage to our air defenses in the region and that's not counting the missiles expended to intercept what was launched at us and our allies.
My penultimate thought: when are we going to seriously look at regime change because that is the ONLY way Iran ceases to be a threat? This limited strike nonsense is just that.
Anywho, y'all can argue over going to war or not, but I'd posit that both sides are right and both sides are wrong. This isn't "just" nukes and yet we distill every argument down to one topic? Nah.
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I'd be pretty mad if I was one of her constituents.
Good to know that everything is going so well in Washington's 7th District that she can worry about <checks note> Cuba.
Politicians shouldn't make promises they can't deliver on, especially when the results depend on someone else. Whether it's "free buses" from a mayor (which requires consent from the state, who isn't going to give it) or "no new wars" (the enemy always gets a vote), as a leader you shouldn't promise to do things for, or to, people when you don't have the power to do it.
But every politician (and many senior military leaders) do.
"Free buses and grocery stores!"
"I will release the Epstein files!"
"War will be over by Christmas."
"Two weeks to flatten the curve."
I understand why people, especially veterans, and especially-especially veterans with family members in the service, are upset about the war with Iran. Reasonable people can disagree. But I think this is a good decision. Iran hates America and has been actively working for years to attack our people and our interests. They regularly threaten US interest not only in the Persian Gulf region, not only in the Middle East, but around the world. They killed our people in Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, and Saudi Arabia. Their proxies, including Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis, attack US interests, our military, and global trade. Taking out Iran negatively affects both Russia and China, two enemies that really matter.
Iran's most useful weapons, both for offense and defense, are (were) their proxies. Those have been largely neutralized. Their rockets and drones are used, destroyed, or hidden away. Their navy is gone. Any goodwill from their neighbors is gone. Their internal politics is on fire. In my adult life, they have never been weaker than they are right now. If we really want to make meaningful change, it has to be now. I think in the long term this war will be good for America.
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ThunderHorse
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Iran and it's proxy groups have bred people for generations that are generally incompatible for modern life. Hezbollah and Hamas (Palestinians in general) are non-compatible with the American way of life. Without regime change and an occupation for generations I don't know what else is the answer. It took almost 30 years and a few twists and turns, but Iraq has free elections and is generally friendly to the US.
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