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CCT's Future

CBL27

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I spoke with a JAG from the US Air Force that was assigned to JSOC until recently. He was uncertain, but he seemed to be worried that I was putting to much emphasis on my interest in thee CAS portion of a Combat Controller's role in current conflicts. He said there is a decent possibility that it may not be as integral a part of their activities in the near future. He mentioned something about the Army getting tired of using Air Force CCTs that were not necessarily polite to some of the Army officers in charge of the units the CCTs were attached to when those officers tried to give them orders regarding CAS that seemed heinous to the Controllers. The JAG mentioned something about "rumors"(his way of hinting that they might be more than rumors) of Army SOF units trying to get more of their own men trained in JTAC roles so they wouldn't need CCTs as much. I was simply wondering if anyone that actually knows what they are talking about could shed some light on the situation. Is this unlikely, or is there some truth to it? The JAG was assigned to JSOC, but he's a JAG(not SOF). If this is a dumb, or already answered, question, I apologize.
 

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The Army has long been pushing to create their own JTACs so that they don't have to rely on the USAF for attachments of TACPs and CCTs. As far as anything else related to alleged performance reviews, I'm not going to entertain that discussion. Earn one of the berets and you can make up your own mind.
 

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The Army has long been pushing to create their own JTACs so that they don't have to rely on the USAF for attachments of TACPs and CCTs. As far as anything else related to alleged performance reviews, I'm not going to entertain that discussion. Earn one of the berets and you can make up your own mind.
I apologize if my remarks regarding the Army unit leaders' opinions on CCT's performance were taken as me thinking less of Controllers. I respect what they do, and I'm sure anything they did in regards to their specialties was fully justifiable. I was simply wondering what opinions, or known facts, I would get on this issue from people who have "been there, done that". Thank you for the response.
 

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Shouldn't matter.
Your intro said you were interested in Pararescue, concentrate on that pipeline and let others fight the political wars.
Sir, my main interest has been pararescue and still is. My grandparents(spent 25+ years in USAF) requested that I look at everything I would possibly consider as an interest before I made up my mind and dug my feet in on PJs(the logic was that having a doubt in your mind on whether you really want to be doing that particular job can be ten times as detrimental in making it through a pipeline as not preparing physically). I haven't signed any papers and I still have about four years before I consider signing a contract, so I thought it might be intelligent to do so. I asked the JSOC JAG about it because he is a friend of my grandmother and was willing to share some of his experiences on working with both Js and Controllers during his career(he was assigned to AFSOC before JSOC). I am looking into everything I can in SOF at the moment before I consider signing anything. CCT was a career I had considered before, so I'm retracing my steps and trying to make absolutely certain that I'm certain on PJs. I don't want to waste the Air Force, AFSOC, or my time by attempting to make it through a training for a career/life that I don't want to live day in and day out. Thank you for your service and your response.
 

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Sir, my main interest has been pararescue and still is. My grandparents(spent 25+ years in USAF) requested that I look at everything I would possibly consider as an interest before I made up my mind and dug my feet in on PJs(the logic was that having a doubt in your mind on whether you really want to be doing that particular job can be ten times as detrimental in making it through a pipeline as not preparing physically). I haven't signed any papers and I still have about four years before I consider signing a contract, so I thought it might be intelligent to do so. I asked the JSOC JAG about it because he is a friend of my grandmother and was willing to share some of his experiences on working with both Js and Controllers during his career(he was assigned to AFSOC before JSOC). I am looking into everything I can in SOF at the moment before I consider signing anything. CCT was a career I had considered before, so I'm retracing my steps and trying to make absolutely certain that I'm certain on PJs. I don't want to waste the Air Force, AFSOC, or my time by attempting to make it through a training for a career/life that I don't want to live day in and day out. Thank you for your service and your response.
I see your intent here; thanks for explaining your position in a respectful way.

The battlespace is always changing. Where JTAC was the focus of the CCT career field for a long time, remember that their primary mission set is austere airfield seizure and terminal area control. Those mission sets aren't going anywhere. Parallels can be made with SF focusing on UW and not so much DA, or Pararescue moving away from TACEVAC/CASEVAC and more on their Technical Rescue Specialties.

Outside of the constant evolution of the specific branches and SOF as a whole, there really isn't a lot you need to focus on. Look at the primary mission sets of each individual core missions- are those missions something you want to do for a career? For a lifetime? Those core mission sets aren't going to go away, while they may evolve.
 

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I see your intent here; thanks for explaining your position in a respectful way.

The battlespace is always changing. Where JTAC was the focus of the CCT career field for a long time, remember that their primary mission set is austere airfield seizure and terminal area control. Those mission sets aren't going anywhere. Parallels can be made with SF focusing on UW and not so much DA, or Pararescue moving away from TACEVAC/CASEVAC and more on their Technical Rescue Specialties.

Outside of the constant evolution of the specific branches and SOF as a whole, there really isn't a lot you need to focus on. Look at the primary mission sets of each individual core missions- are those missions something you
I have looked at some of your posts on other forums and questions(mainly regarding Pararescue, and I am thankful for the expertise and knowledge base you have. In regards to the core missions, PJs' core mission has always appealed to me. As stated in the previously comment, I was simply trying to do my due diligence since people with much more life and military experience asked me to. As always, thanks for your time and response.
 

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I have looked at some of your posts on other forums and questions(mainly regarding Pararescue, and I am thankful for the expertise and knowledge base you have. In regards to the core missions, PJs' core mission has always appealed to me. As stated in the previously comment, I was simply trying to do my due diligence since people with much more life and military experience asked me to. As always, thanks for your time and response.
There was supposed to be a closing parenthesis after Pararescue, and auto correct changed "previous" to "previously". My bad on the grammar mistakes.
 

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Just to add some perspective: I was a TACP in the early 2000s and similar sentiments regarding CAS were around then, too. They also probably existed well before I came into the Air Force. One rumor was that the Army would completely take over the CAS mission and TACP would be gone within five years. That obviously never happened, and I personally believe TACP has evolved into something better since I was in it. Likewise I don't think the JTAC mission will disappear completely from CCT, even if they begin focusing on more traditional skill sets like austere airfield control.

As far as any alleged unprofessional behavior, I think things tend to get blown out of proportion some times. During tense situations people can come across as crass without it being their intent. Most in the military don't like to be told no, even if it needs to be said. Sometimes you need to be direct, even towards someone with more rank, if what they want is grossly infeasible or more seriously violates rules of engagement.
 

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Just to add some perspective: I was a TACP in the early 2000s and similar sentiments regarding CAS were around then, too. They also probably existed well before I came into the Air Force. One rumor was that the Army would completely take over the CAS mission and TACP would be gone within five years. That obviously never happened, and I personally believe TACP has evolved into something better since I was in it. Likewise I don't think the JTAC mission will disappear completely from CCT, even if they begin focusing on more traditional skill sets like austere airfield control.

As far as any alleged unprofessional behavior, I think things tend to get blown out of proportion some times. During tense situations people can come across as crass without it being their intent. Most in the military don't like to be told no, even if it needs to be said. Sometimes you need to be direct, even towards someone with more rank, if what they want is grossly infeasible or more seriously violates rules of engagement.
Thanks for the input- please look into getting vetted through the board process here, it would be good to get another former TACP guy here on the board.
 

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Thanks for the invite. Sorry I didn't reply back earlier but it had slipped my mind. I'll definitely consider going through the vetting, although I've been out of TACP for more than a decade. The career field appears to have jumped forward quite a bit from when I was in, so most of my advice would be pretty dated.
 

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Thanks for the invite. Sorry I didn't reply back earlier but it had slipped my mind. I'll definitely consider going through the vetting, although I've been out of TACP for more than a decade. The career field appears to have jumped forward quite a bit from when I was in, so most of my advice would be pretty dated.
Hey brother. You don't need to have the most up to date knowledge to be vetted. It's just so people know that you're coming from a place of experience and first hand knowledge. Gives more professionalism to the site, and saves you from being questioned on your background when people can see you've been vetted.