George Floyd/National Protests

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I had the same question. My best guess is that if they charge him with all three, it allows a jury to pick which one to say he's guilty of. It's not double jeopardy unless they were to find him guilty of more than one of them. If they were to only charge him with the second degree and the jury found that the evidence didn't rise to the standard, then he's acquitted and they are unable to bring another round of charges.

Personally I would say it's BS. The charge should match what they think they can get a conviction for.
Happens pretty often. Burdens of proof for each charge is separate. As said below, he can still be convicted of lesser charges. It's not double jeopardy to have all those charges. It would be double jeopardy to have to trials under the same exact charges.
 
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That's too tinfoil... Unless the AG is deeply entrenched in/with Antifa, who is going to be the very first target of any anger if Chauvin is acquitted because the charges didn't stick?
Agree it may be a little too tinfoil but the AG is a politican first and foremost. As a result, I believe there is a narrative he can and will push in the case of acquittal. That is: "The system" (legal) is inherently broken and/or tipped such that the black community cannot receive justice against those that do them wrong, like the police, citing case in point. Sadly, that message would probably resonate well with it's intended audience.
 
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That's too tinfoil... Unless the AG is deeply entrenched in/with Antifa, who is going to be the very first target of any anger if Chauvin is acquitted because the charges didn't stick?

You're right it probably is too far into the tinfoil roll, but as @Blizzard said the AG is a politician through and through looking for a political slam dunk. Whats to say while he may not be an Antifa supporter he inadvertantly spins it in a way that causes an absolute shit storm.
 

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Ben on the George Floyd arrest. Thoughts?


/Cough acquittals all around. The courts have overcharged the officers. When acquitted all hell is gonna break loose.
 
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Yep... media was full of shit, ran a disinformation campaign, and fomented political & social unrest. Same with the Commie AG, his comrades in govt, and the other Marxist subversives our nation is infected with.

As for all hell breaking loose, it doesn't have to. Though that requires rioters not being granted political top cover by the American Left. If people are gonna burn, loot, and murder, then turnabout is fair play.
 

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@R.Caerbannog Full disclosure and BLUF, Although I agree with your ""media was full of shit, ran a disinformation campaign, and fomented political & social unrest""-- the media didn't have full access to the bodycam vids until this past week so no-one knew except the gubmint folks what was on those tapes.
It's gonna be a wild ride during the courtroom antics of one said Minnesota AG POS.
 

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@R.Caerbannog Full disclosure and BLUF, Although I agree with your ""media was full of shit, ran a disinformation campaign, and fomented political & social unrest""-- the media didn't have full access to the bodycam vids until this past week so no-one knew except the gubmint folks what was on those tapes.
It's gonna be a wild ride during the courtroom antics of one said Minnesota AG POS.
As dumb as this sounds, I get the feeling the media had more information than they were letting on. Maybe I'm jumping at shadows, but the same MSM apparatus that had all sorts of contacts in the govt, secret dossiers, and led the charge on impeachment, didn't do this by accident.

There are too many things that just don't fit. Media malfeasance/incompetence and the death of a thug doesn't start a brushfire Marxist movement.
 

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There are too many things that just don't fit. Media malfeasance/incompetence and the death of a thug doesn't start a brushfire Marxist movement.
I wouldn't call him a thug. I also wouldn't call him an upright citizen. With that said, I think we are naive to view the..."protests" as a spontaneous result of Floyd's death. I think we're seeing "canned Spam" reactions to an incident that shouldn't have occurred. Floyd shouldn't have died, his actions didn't warrant that IMO, but the results of his death are also unwarranted.

I'm just to the left of a Mongol warlord and even I think this country needs to sort out its issues with race. There are things IMO that need to change for Black, White, and everyone else for the better. I think we should honestly look at what and who we are as a country, but destroying what we have is a goddamned travesty.

This is coming from a guy who would machine gun everyone in Pakistan between the ages of 0 and 500.

America, do the fuck better or else we'll all pay a price. That writing is on the wall.
 

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I wouldn't call him a thug. I also wouldn't call him an upright citizen. With that said, I think we are naive to view the..."protests" as a spontaneous result of Floyd's death. I think we're seeing "canned Spam" reactions to an incident that shouldn't have occurred. Floyd shouldn't have died, his actions didn't warrant that IMO, but the results of his death are also unwarranted.

I'm just to the left of a Mongol warlord and even I think this country needs to sort out its issues with race. There are things IMO that need to change for Black, White, and everyone else for the better. I think we should honestly look at what and who we are as a country, but destroying what we have is a goddamned travesty.

This is coming from a guy who would machine gun everyone in Pakistan between the ages of 0 and 500.

America, do the fuck better or else we'll all pay a price. That writing is on the wall.
I knew I liked you. ;-)
 

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Brief update from the other day...

Attorneys for one of the officers tried to have Hennepin County Attorney, Mike Freeman (see above), removed from the case due to "compromised ethics" and "inability to be impartial". The request was denied.

I find the request interesting given that Ellison is the lead and has said much worse publicly. It felt more like they were just taking a shot at getting a competent prosecutor removed from the case.

Ellison also added another civil rights attorney to the prosecution.

Request to dismiss Hennepin County Attorney Freeman from George Floyd case denied; Ellison adds attorney to prosecution team

Also, in re: to the comments about the body cam availability, video was available to all media, they just couldn't make copies and had to view it in person. Public could also view it by appointment. So, availability wasn't really so much the issue, it was accessibility and the ability to rebroadcast it. As stated earlier, defense for at least 3 of the officers wanted it released publicly because they felt it helps their case. Since Chauvin's cam was knocked off during the arrest, it's unlikely there's much to be gleaned from it that can't be obtained from the others.
 
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