SOCS-C JACK

buzzkill.0621

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Gentlemen,

I was curious of everyone's opinion on 8071s getting their MOSs 'jack' as a tattoo.
A Recon turned CSO buddy of mine informed me that he personally doesn't have an issue with it, but some operator types may since they would say that we don't rate it. This isn't meant to seem as a whiny post, but rather a discussion topic.

My opinion is that if you go through a special pipeline to obtain an MOS you rate.
 

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23 years in the Marines; I've never heard of an MOS jack. Is it some kind of logo or badge?
 

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Which jack are you referring to? Our comm guys had a jack

recon comm.jpg

and our SARCs have a jack

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Here are the recon jacks I have seen
SWIFT SILENT DEADLY.jpg the jack.jpg ReconJack.jpg reconskull.jpg

I have no problem with our comm guys getting a recon comm tattoo because that is what they are. I don't think it's as appropriate if they haven't been to BRC though and just work in the comm shop.
 

buzzkill.0621

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@Teufel , Sir you posted the exact comm jack that I was thinking about and had no idea where to find the image.
Ours as SOCS-Cs is essentially the same, but instead of saying RECON COMM it is replaced with 8071 or SOCS-C
 

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SOCS-C not the same as Recon Comm for many reasons. The biggest being that Recon Communicators for the most part attend the same pipeline and right of passage as the team guys as well as follow on schools. The same can definitely not be said for SOC-Cs. Recon Comm guys would be more the equivalent of the COMM CSOs on an MSOT than the SOC-Cs. My advice would be that if you want to get a tattoo to show pride in your MOS come up with something original and not get something that other guys came up with for their specific communities and has history and meaning to them. That being said the debate on who can get what tattooed and who rates to wear black silkies, etc. will be a never ending silly debate. Lastly if you want a Jack that bad Recon and CSOs are always recruiting.;-)
 

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SOCS-C not the same as Recon Comm for many reasons. The biggest being that Recon Communicators for the most part attend the same pipeline and right of passage as the team guys as well as follow on schools. The same can definitely not be said for SOC-Cs. Recon Comm guys would be more the equivalent of the COMM CSOs on an MSOT than the SOC-Cs. My advice would be that if you want to get a tattoo to show pride in your MOS come up with something original and not get something that other guys came up with for their specific communities and has history and meaning to them. That being said the debate on who can get what tattooed and who rates to wear black silkies, etc. will be a never ending silly debate. Lastly if you want a Jack that bad Recon and CSOs are always recruiting.;-)
How about you go ahead and fill this out on your profile. ASAP. Thanks.

2. We require members to fill out their profile before posting an introduction. The member's component and background are required. The "background field" must be filled out. You may list your military job/specialty (MOS) or units you serve(d) with. Civilian members can tell us what they do for a living.
 

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@buzzkill.0621 , just consider this: If you have enough doubt about a jack to ask the question here, do you really want to get something that you will feel the need to defend getting for years to come? Bottom line, if other guys may question you about whether you rate it, do you really want it?
 

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The comm jack that was uploaded previously by Teufel wasn't the SOCS-C jack, it was just the one that I was thinking of when I created the original post.

Attached is the SOCS-C jack that is currently being used by company communicators.

@Ooh-Rah, I appreciate your feedback, but this isn't something that I would be defending, I was just trying to gather the opinions of shooters on this site
as well as fellow support personnel.

@whisper88, I understand the Recon Communicators follow the Recon operator pipeline. Trust me, I'm very interested in becoming an operator myself,
but currently there are restrictions that are out of my control preventing me from pursuing the options. Now I'm just trying to better myself as a SOCS-C
so I'll be able to support the teams as best as I can.
 

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I can guarantee that you will be defending that tatt as a SOC-C anytime it is noticed. Also I can be very interested in being lots of things. I am sure lots of the guys who never served in the military but buy the uniforms and medals from surplus stores and prance around claiming illustrious combat feats were at one time interested in actually serving. Would you want some asshole walking around in Dress Blues showing off an EGA tatt to unknowing people when he was never even a Marine? Its the same thing. I would not want something on my skin forever that I did not earn. When and if you do make thru either pipeline, I would be willing to bet that your opinions on the matter will probably change. That is all.
 

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I can guarantee that you will be defending that tatt as a SOC-C anytime it is noticed. Also I can be very interested in being lots of things. I am sure lots of the guys who never served in the military but buy the uniforms and medals from surplus stores and prance around claiming illustrious combat feats were at one time interested in actually serving. Would you want some asshole walking around in Dress Blues showing off an EGA tatt to unknowing people when he was never even a Marine? Its the same thing. I would not want something on my skin forever that I did not earn. When and if you do make thru either pipeline, I would be willing to bet that your opinions on the matter will probably change. That is all.
Curious, what is unearned on that tatoo?
As a non-Marine I see jump wings and a headset.
Are they non-jump qualified? do the communicators stay behind; making the skull/headset combo a bad idea?
 

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Curious, what is unearned on that tatoo?
As a non-Marine I see jump wings and a headset.
Are they non-jump qualified? do the communicators stay behind; making the skull/headset combo a bad idea?
That's a fair question, and as an Army guy I'd be interested in hearing the answer from someone qualified to answer it. Until @whisper88 gets verified and sports a green tag I don't know that he's that guy.
 

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Curious, what is unearned on that tatoo?
As a non-Marine I see jump wings and a headset.
Are they non-jump qualified? do the communicators stay behind; making the skull/headset combo a bad idea?
SOC-Cs are not team level communicators and while they may on occasion be attached to an MSOT they are a company asset. While some SOC-Cs inadvertently get to attend jump school most do their entire rotation within the command and never jump. As I said before the proposed tattoo idea would make more sense for the Recon communicator or the Comm CSO than a SOC-C.
 

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That's a fair question, and as an Army guy I'd be interested in hearing the answer from someone qualified to answer it. Until @whisper88 gets verified and sports a green tag I don't know that he's that guy.
Anyone who is a CSO or a Recon Marine will know that my posts pass the sniff test. Since I do not "sport a green tag" on this website that deems me not "qualified" to offer advice that people with no knowledge on the subject will take seriously, I invite the other Recon Marines or CSOs on this forum to offer their opinions. :thumbsup:
 

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Anyone who is a CSO or a Recon Marine will know that my posts pass the sniff test. Since I do not "sport a green tag" on this website that deems me not "qualified" to offer advice that people with no knowledge on the subject will take seriously, I invite the other Recon Marines or CSOs on this forum to offer their opinions. :thumbsup:
The vetting system on this site offers those who claim special knowledge or skill sets credibility and other site members a frame of reference and context with which to evaluate posts. You claim to be a CSO; you should understand the value of this system.

With that as background, it should be clear why--at least in my opinion--it isn't enough to know what color the boathouse is.
 

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Everyone, just stop.

Anyone who is a CSO or a Recon Marine will know that my posts pass the sniff test. Since I do not "sport a green tag" on this website that deems me not "qualified" to offer advice that people with no knowledge on the subject will take seriously, I invite the other Recon Marines or CSOs on this forum to offer their opinions. :thumbsup:
Short version: I understand your POV, but a sniff test is easily faked and not to be believed without another known supporting source.

Long version: We have no reason to doubt that you're a CSO, but we also have no reason to believe you. Vetting isn't mandatory, but you have to be aware if you're claiming something specific to the military people will challenge you. You aren't in General Discussion offering thoughts on politics or whatever, you're working from a position of implied authority or expertise. This is the digital equivilent of someone in uniform without badges or rank telling others what to do. Your information may be right, but are you right? I can fake enough SF or Ranger knowledge to fake my way through some conversations, but that would make me a fraud and a liar. Without someone we know to vouch for your information (or you) then we have no basis on which to trust you.

This isn't a personal attack, we just don't know who you are.
 

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SOC-Cs are not team level communicators and while they may on occasion be attached to an MSOT they are a company asset. While some SOC-Cs inadvertently get to attend jump school most do their entire rotation within the command and never jump. As I said before the proposed tattoo idea would make more sense for the Recon communicator or the Comm CSO than a SOC-C.
Thanks, makes sense to me. So yeah, lose the Gold Wings

Anyone who is a CSO or a Recon Marine will know that my posts pass the sniff test. Since I do not "sport a green tag" on this website that deems me not "qualified" to offer advice that people with no knowledge on the subject will take seriously, I invite the other Recon Marines or CSOs on this forum to offer their opinions. :thumbsup:
You gave a good response. The tags just make it easier to id the internet commandoes vice the real deals.
 

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The vetting system on this site offers those who claim special knowledge or skill sets credibility and other site members a frame of reference and context with which to evaluate posts. You claim to be a CSO; you should understand the value of this system.

With that as background, it should be clear why--at least in my opinion--it isn't enough to know what color the boathouse is.
I see and understand the purpose of the vetting system as you see it. I freely give my frame of reference as required by the site. If people decide to put less faith in what I say just because I have not been "vetted" then that is their loss. IMO people should evaluate my posts on their content not on the color of the banner below my name. In my experience reading posts on this site one who is "in the biz" can easily be determined by their peers from phonies rather quickly. If SS ever changes their policy on unvetted members then I will reevaluate my position but for now I will stick with some anonymity.
 
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