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Meanwhile, in Ohio.....
‘Stand your ground’ gun bill passes Ohio House

The House-approved “stand your ground” bill removes a “duty to retreat” for armed Ohioans facing a threat or perceived threat. It also shifts the burden of proof in self-defense cases to the prosecution, which would align Ohio with a vast majority of states.
Rep. Terry Johnson, R-McDermott, a primary sponsor, said the bill brings Ohio up-to-date with federal law and extends the castle doctrine to a person’s vehicle and anywhere they have a legal right to be.
“This bill is not going to grant any new place to carry a firearm nor is this bill designed to allow vigilantes to walk the streets and dispense their own justice,” McDermott said.
 

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A bit lengthy and goofy at points, but a damn good video on the break down of the 2A.
Jumped around the video a bit. Seems pretty well researched and put together as to the history of the 2nd ammendment.

I didn't see it mentioned while I was jumping around, but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he doesn't mention Scalia himself was of the opinion that the 2nd amendment could be regulated?

Edit: I mention Scalia because of the number of comments saying things like "all gun laws are illegal" or "we should sue California for violating the Constitution".

Those don't seem like people who would get nuance.
 

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Jumped around the video a bit. Seems pretty well researched and put together as to the history of the 2nd ammendment.

I didn't see it mentioned while I was jumping around, but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he doesn't mention Scalia himself was of the opinion that the 2nd amendment could be regulated?

Edit: I mention Scalia because of the number of comments saying things like "all gun laws are illegal" or "we should sue California for violating the Constitution".

Those don't seem like people who would get nuance.
No it did not specifically mention that, but to be clear, I have never read where Scalia stated that the 2A could be regulated. I have read that the act of carrying of unusual and dangerous weapons could be restricted (I.e. lil Mohamad can't strap a pressure cooker bomb to his back and go walking around in public). I don't think anyone extreme right to extreme left would disagree, that people shouldn't be allowed to walk around with bombs strapped to their bodies.

But to be clear, I personally do not believe any government has the proper athourity to say what I can use or carry for self-defense.

I'd much rather crack a dude with a set of knuckles than use a knife or pistol (less likely to kill someone, be sued, deal with LE, etc). Yet in my state, knuckles are illegal, yet I can openly carry a knife or pistol. To someone like me, that makes absolutely no sense, I'm forced to use deadly force on someone who probably just needs a couple lumps, because I am restricted by law on what I can and cannot carry/use for self-defense. What ends up happening, I break the law, or carry a improvised or modified version of knuckles. The law itself, is meaningless, something that was engineered to be a added consequence for the common thug, became a restriction for the general public, resulting in less assholes with headaches and more holes in assholes... <~~~~see what I did there.
 

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No it did not specifically mention that, but to be clear, I have never read where Scalia stated that the 2A could be regulated. I have read that the act of carrying of unusual and dangerous weapons could be restricted (I.e. lil Mohamad can't strap a pressure cooker bomb to his back and go walking around in public). I don't think anyone extreme right to extreme left would disagree, that people shouldn't be allowed to walk around with bombs strapped to their bodies.

But to be clear, I personally do not believe any government has the proper athourity to say what I can use or carry for self-defense.

I'd much rather crack a dude with a set of knuckles than use a knife or pistol (less likely to kill someone, be sued, deal with LE, etc). Yet in my state, knuckles are illegal, yet I can openly carry a knife or pistol. To someone like me, that makes absolutely no sense, I'm forced to use deadly force on someone who probably just needs a couple lumps, because I am restricted by law on what I can and cannot carry/use for self-defense. What ends up happening, I break the law, or carry a improvised or modified version of knuckles. The law itself, is meaningless, something that was engineered to be a added consequence for the common thug, became a restriction for the general public, resulting in less assholes with headaches and more holes in assholes... <~~~~see what I did there.
Maybe not for much longer. The door has been cracked:

 

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Fuck you, Ralph Northam.

 

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I think a lot of what you are calling for is going to cost a lot of money we (schools and/or government) don't have. I don't feel the need for the big wonderful federal government to "free" me from things like this either.
Yeah, the nine dreaded words" I'm from the government and, I'm here to help.
With all the crap that congress is doing now. When their primary purpose is to pass a budget. Should be the loudest wake up call to everyone here in our society. What really torques my shorts though. Is the inactivity while the entire congress was republican controlled Spent 2 years focusing on drama in D.C. Democrats take control of the house and, within 4 days. They're shitting out gun control bills left and right.
The forces of good an evil are in a constant struggle. Know it sounds corny but, that's the way history tells it. I stay prepared, more with my mindset than anything else. Jefferson in federalist #? speaks about this specific topic of gun control. I will attach a few quotes from him. This is not the end all be all to the situation we face as a society that is slowly sliding into the shitter. I do what I can by studying current affairs and, passing on accurate information to others.
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I would like to offer a different perspective. For those who do not know, I an not an American and do not live in the USA. I am a Kiwi and have spent my life in military service and subsequently in Africa in the private military area.

Ever since going private and working in Africa (longer than I like to admit now) one common factor emerges. Those without the tools to realistically defend themselves (Usually subsistence farmers) get subjugated by anyone who so wishes. . Be it bandits, rogue government, militant or cultural groups. The horrors they are subjected to beggar belief. The things that done reduce the hardest men to tears with ease.

Once we have been able to address the immediate issue and neutralise the problem group, we take time to "empower" the victims by way of training to a basic proficiency and "accidentally" leaving a few AKs available these people are not molested again.Many will say we are just exacerbating the issue. I believe that this is not the case. The people we have helped are not interested in anything but getting on with their traditional life style. They have always been this way and have ignored the events around them to the point they have become totally vulnerable to the scum and corrupt .

Why are they left alone?

They can and do defend themselves. That is the only difference. I say again, that is the only difference.

Sadly the next unprepared group will become the object of the attentions of the filth that seek to act against others for no good reason. The absolute tragedy of murdered innocents is abhorrent and despicable and the perpetrators need to be made to pay.

More people are murdered in Africa with knives and axes than with firearms. More die from wild animal attack. All of these statistics change once the potential victim is both prepared equipped. As far as I can see numbers of people killed with non firearms weapons exceeds those killed with firearms the world over.

I can see no good from giving up the basic right to bear arms you have. I can see a lot of potential harm being done to good folk if this right is given up.

Ban guns = bad law.

The issues are not about who has firearms, they are about society and personal responsibility. If someone decides to run amok they will use whatever is to hand. The media seems to want to pump firearms related events way beyond any other type. That is where the danger lies I believe.

How many people die each year in the US as a result of drug overdose or automobile accidents?
You hit it right on the head for me!
 

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Jumped around the video a bit. Seems pretty well researched and put together as to the history of the 2nd ammendment.

I didn't see it mentioned while I was jumping around, but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he doesn't mention Scalia himself was of the opinion that the 2nd amendment could be regulated?

Edit: I mention Scalia because of the number of comments saying things like "all gun laws are illegal" or "we should sue California for violating the Constitution".

Those don't seem like people who would get nuance.
Scalia brought up at 18:50...then brings up several Justice opinions.
 
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This needs to be disseminated far and wide people. The radicals want to take a right that they did not give. How many times do people need to be informed of one simple truth. The 2nd amendment merely affirms in writing our right to individual sel-protection. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED GODDAMNIT!!!
 

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This needs to be disseminated far and wide people. The radicals want to take a right that they did not give. How many times do people need to be informed of one simple truth. The 2nd amendment merely affirms in writing our right to individual sel-protection. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED GODDAMNIT!!!
That's a publicity stunt. They know it. It's like a local jurisdiction who put out a resolution that they were against genocide.
 
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