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[QUOTE="Diamondback 2/2, post: 453579, member: 157"] I've personally never heard or read anything about illegals taking STEM jobs. I have no doubt it has happened, but not in any form of mass. I've personally helped 3 younger guys get jobs at my old plumbing company. Apprenticeship that leads to $80+K job a year. They all quit, said it was too hard, didn't like the heat of working outside. I've got a close friend who runs a remodeling company, he can't keep younger help, they just won't work. Always on the phone's, have to be supervised to sweep a floor. His employees are all in the late 40's and 50's. He has to turn down bigger jobs, because he can't get the younger generation to come to work. The sad part is he is supper GOP "get them all out of here, they are stealing our jobs". He isn't being under-bid, he won't bid jobs he can't do. I sit and listen to him contradict himself all the time. One minute he is telling me how he couldn't bid a job becausehe can't get the manpower, next he is telling how illegals are going to put him out of business. If he get hire people that are skilled, legal and bid those bigger jobs, he would. The mass majority of illegals in Texas are working in services, janitorial, food service, yard maintenance, etc. You even mention a job like that to Americans, at $8 an hour and they turn their nose up at you. [USER=19]@Marauder06[/USER] was spot on with his post, that people not wanting to get up and work because of welfare programs. I disagree with the notion of wage suppression, as people want cheap foods and services. That requires low wages for those positions. If you raise wages, the consumer pays more for the food or service, the consumer uses less, the company profit margin falls, the positions and hours get cut, people refuse to work shit job's, the cycle continues. Although I do think the act of illegally entering the country is a crime, I think it could be handled with some fines and a pathway to legal status. People who stole identity, broke other laws, etc, should obviously be punished for those crimes. Keep in mind, the Obama administration pretty much put the word out that it was a free for all the last 8 years. There are alot of people here because laws weren't enforced, etc. [/QUOTE]
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