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Message: [QUOTE="Simmerin' SigO, post: 35808"] The Army isn't allowed the Aviation assets, which is a big LIMFAC. Also, the MAGTF doctrine is written as an partner with the Navy's Force Projection doctrine. MAGTF requirements are often supported by the Navy, lending a extra degree of emphasis in budgeting. The Army has to be a lot more eclectic in its organizational models, since they have some many more/varied requirements. This one is an easier case to make for a MARSOC under the "more is better/everybody gets covered" model. The recently aborted (thank God) JSOG concept would have worked out great for MARSOC as way to show how they could fill in the real gaps. I might remind you of GEN Ned Almond's X Corps Inchon landing in the Korean War. :) This begs the question: Which core missions from [U]then[/U] are no longer important [U]now[/U]? I think this is the chief complaint [I]against[/I] MARSOC by Army SOF primarily. MFP-11 is not designed to be used to "build the bench" for conventional forces. That's what their budget lines are for. There's nothing wrong with the Services benefitting from TTP or equipment validated by SOF ops. It's quite another when a Service lends combat forces to SOF/SOCOM with the expressed (or at least stage-whispered) intent of using the expertise to build their Service on someone else's dime. Concur. Anyone who understands the role of Force Recon recognizes that sooner or later the Marines will have to reconstitute their recon forces. This was the reason I was given (by a Marine who mentored me on the topic) why the Marines couldn't afford to join SOCOM when it originally stood up without a major force-size plus up. Interestingly, as the Marines are paring off their Recon to SOCOM, the Army is trading infantry battalions for "RSTA Squadrons". An aside: Hat tip to both you and Hitman. When thorny topics like Marines vs Army come up, you both always show class and intellectual honesty in debate. I appreciate that. [/QUOTE]

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