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Crackdown at Lejeune: Inside the 2nd Marine Division commander’s controversial call for discipline

 

[Gunz]

It's a sign of the decay that's infected the division that a directive from the CG to get everybody's shit together, square away and live by regulations should be considered "controversial."

What the fuck.

And the Terminal Lance asshole who calls it “Mass punishment." I'm sorry, "mass punishment" to get a fucking haircut, wear bootbands and clean up your trash?

Again, what the fuck.

And again, it's exactly what happened when 2nd MARDIV ranks were full of returning Vietnam war veterans, most of them, by then, NCOs. The big difference between then and now? The CG back then did not send a directive. I wish that he had.

Tightening up everybody's shit to instill pride is one thing but in the garrison environment it won't have a lasting effect unless you ratchet up the training. Get these guys out of the battalion areas, get them off their phones, get them out in the pine scrub, let em pull some triggers.

 

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Lots of crazy with this - such a high degree of crazy doesn't happen because of a single Marine chillin' in the mess hall in his PJ's.

That story goes a lot deeper than anyone can put into print.

 

[Marine0311]

Good. I am allllllllll for it.
Crack the whip and hold the standards.
The NCOs failed big time.

 

[arch_angel]

Currently participating in the above mentioned activities. Here's a few insider leaks.

- I've noticed that those units who were already upholding the standard and doing what they're supposed to be doing already, have had little concern over this guidance.
- The CG is absolutely right concerning discipline. We can try and place blame on a single point of failure (NCO, SNCO, Officer) but that doesn't matter at this point. You can see it all across the base, in every MOS field. This toxic "I don't care, I'm too good for this shit" mentality. There are a lot of skeptics and critics over the CG's guidance, but there are also a lot of us who actually care, and actually do what we can to uphold/enforce the standard.
- A lot of the people who are openly bashing the CG's guidance on social media either 1. Aren't even part of 2d MarDiv, 2. Haven't actually read the guidance and are just jumping on the social media bandwagon, or 3. Don't like it because they're a turd trying to slime by with no adherence to good order and discipline.
- Most people don't realize that this guidance was developed with the aid of NCO's! That's right, the CG sat down with NCO's from across the Div and these are the grievances they expressed. So when I hear an NCO complaining about being 'micromanaged' it triggers me.

It is beyond me why someone would join an organization, be expected to fall in line with that organizations policies, then complain or try to push back against them. I get it, haircuts and boot blouses don't make Marines any more effective at combat. But if you don't have enough discipline in your nasty body to take the extra 5 minutes and minimal effort required to be within standard then how can you be expected to conduct PCC/PCI's properly before we DFL?

Everyone wants to do the 'cool stuff' and never wants to put in the work required to do it. Sorry for the rant, I'm just extremely passionate about my job and being a Marine and am sick and tired of all these bull shit excuses for not looking and acting like a Marine.

 

[Marine0311]

HELL YEAH

 

[SOSTCRNA]

Currently participating in the above mentioned activities. Here's a few insider leaks.

- I've noticed that those units who were already upholding the standard and doing what they're supposed to be doing already, have had little concern over this guidance.
- The CG is absolutely right concerning discipline. We can try and place blame on a single point of failure (NCO, SNCO, Officer) but that doesn't matter at this point. You can see it all across the base, in every MOS field. This toxic "I don't care, I'm too good for this shit" mentality. There are a lot of skeptics and critics over the CG's guidance, but there are also a lot of us who actually care, and actually do what we can to uphold/enforce the standard.
- A lot of the people who are openly bashing the CG's guidance on social media either 1. Aren't even part of 2d MarDiv, 2. Haven't actually read the guidance and are just jumping on the social media bandwagon, or 3. Don't like it because they're a turd trying to slime by with no adherence to good order and discipline.
- Most people don't realize that this guidance was developed with the aid of NCO's! That's right, the CG sat down with NCO's from across the Div and these are the grievances they expressed. So when I hear an NCO complaining about being 'micromanaged' it triggers me.

It is beyond me why someone would join an organization, be expected to fall in line with that organizations policies, then complain or try to push back against them. I get it, haircuts and boot blouses don't make Marines any more effective at combat. But if you don't have enough discipline in your nasty body to take the extra 5 minutes and minimal effort required to be within standard then how can you be expected to conduct PCC/PCI's properly before we DFL?

Everyone wants to do the 'cool stuff' and never wants to put in the work required to do it. Sorry for the rant, I'm just extremely passionate about my job and being a Marine and am sick and tired of all these bull shit excuses for not looking and acting like a Marine.

Nicely stated!

 

[Gunz]

Currently participating in the above mentioned activities. Here's a few insider leaks.

- I've noticed that those units who were already upholding the standard and doing what they're supposed to be doing already, have had little concern over this guidance.
- The CG is absolutely right concerning discipline. We can try and place blame on a single point of failure (NCO, SNCO, Officer) but that doesn't matter at this point. You can see it all across the base, in every MOS field. This toxic "I don't care, I'm too good for this shit" mentality. There are a lot of skeptics and critics over the CG's guidance, but there are also a lot of us who actually care, and actually do what we can to uphold/enforce the standard.
- A lot of the people who are openly bashing the CG's guidance on social media either 1. Aren't even part of 2d MarDiv, 2. Haven't actually read the guidance and are just jumping on the social media bandwagon, or 3. Don't like it because they're a turd trying to slime by with no adherence to good order and discipline.
- Most people don't realize that this guidance was developed with the aid of NCO's! That's right, the CG sat down with NCO's from across the Div and these are the grievances they expressed. So when I hear an NCO complaining about being 'micromanaged' it triggers me.

It is beyond me why someone would join an organization, be expected to fall in line with that organizations policies, then complain or try to push back against them. I get it, haircuts and boot blouses don't make Marines any more effective at combat. But if you don't have enough discipline in your nasty body to take the extra 5 minutes and minimal effort required to be within standard then how can you be expected to conduct PCC/PCI's properly before we DFL?

Everyone wants to do the 'cool stuff' and never wants to put in the work required to do it. Sorry for the rant, I'm just extremely passionate about my job and being a Marine and am sick and tired of all these bull shit excuses for not looking and acting like a Marine.

Way to Kill, sir.