91F option 40

collins33

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Hello everyone! It's been a while since I've posted. I have a question for you guys. I had my recruiter pull 91F option 40 for me when I go down to MEPS. If everything goes as planned and I pass RASP, will my MOS keep me from doing anything combat related? Will I just be stuck doing my MOS or would I still be able to do all the high-speed stuff I read about Rangers doing? (Considering I make it to a Ranger Regiment) I have two days to make a final decision before I sign on the line. I've looked into the 91F MOS and it sounds like a great skill to have and it be something cool to fall back on later on down the road but if it going to put me out of action then I would rather just go 11b option 40.
Thanks guys.
 
Sounds as if you want it both ways. If you're an armorer, you'll be an armorer. If you want to do "all the high-speed stuff I read about Rangers doing", go infantry.
 
My end goal is to eventually go SF. I feel like a 91f skill set would be valuable if I made it over to the other side of things. Is that line of reasoning some what logical or am I just entertaining delusions of grandeur?
 
I ain't giving specific advice, as I am not a Ranger. But if you want to do high-speed shit, don't try to game the system. Just do it.

People smarter than me will be along. Good luck.
 
Thanks for the response but with all due respect I do not believe i am trying to "game the system". From what I have read the Rangers are recruiting 91F for the 75th and I feel that being airborne and ranger qualified would be a foot in the door later on down the road to doing "high-speed shit". My father had 4 different MOS's as maybe a few of the other gentleman on the forum. I am just curious if I go to a ranger battalion would I still receive the same training as a ranger with an 11b mos? I'm looking at the 91F option 40 because I think it would be a cool skill set to learn before I went to a ranger battalion if everything worked out. I guess I'm thinking that guys who have dropped SF packets didn't all come from 11 series MOS's but once they went through the training and came out on the other side they were just as qualified to do that job as any other soldier and got to go out be a hitter.
 
My end goal is to eventually go SF. I feel like a 91f skill set would be valuable if I made it over to the other side of things. Is that line of reasoning some what logical or am I just entertaining delusions of grandeur?
SFQC teaches you what they think you need to know.
You want to go out on missions? 11B, 13F,68W gets your butt off the FOB. The guy fixing rifles and pistols isn't kicking doors down. He/she (soon) are valuable, but they are valuable back at the FOB.
 
Thanks for the response but with all due respect I do not believe i am trying to "game the system". From what I have read the Rangers are recruiting 91F for the 75th and I feel that being airborne and ranger qualified would be a foot in the door later on down the road to doing "high-speed shit". My father had 4 different MOS's as maybe a few of the other gentleman on the forum. I am just curious if I go to a ranger battalion would I still receive the same training as a ranger with an 11b mos? I'm looking at the 91F option 40 because I think it would be a cool skill set to learn before I went to a ranger battalion if everything worked out. I guess I'm thinking that guys who have dropped SF packets didn't all come from 11 series MOS's but once they went through the training and came out on the other side they were just as qualified to do that job as any other soldier and got to go out be a hitter.

I'm sure you would know better than I. Good luck.
 
I'm sure you would know better than I. Good luck.
I feel as if you took something that I posted the wrong way and if I came off as a smart-pass I sincerely apologize. I am by no means a know-it-all and to put it bluntly I don't know shit other than what I have read or people in know have told me. I am just asking questions to get a better understanding and make a concrete decision.
From what I am understanding if I go 91F option 40 I would just be qualifying myself to do the 91F job as a Ranger?

If you want to go SF go SF. Regiment's not a stepping stone to anything, although some people do go elsewhere.
From the reading I've done on Shadowspear Rangers and SF have different mission parameters.
Do any of you guys ever switch over to SF after you have been in the Rangers a while since the types of missions that Rangers and SF do differ so much? I have seen SF guys at Carson with Ranger tabs and wondered where those gentlemen began.
 
"Soft skills" in the 75th have additional duties, some of which are "cool." The Regiment exists for 11B's to shoot people in the face. Some MOS' do more to support this than others....read into that what you will.

If you want to go SF then just about ANY MOS will allow that so a good "feeder" MOS into SF is just about anything. The whole point behind the SF system is to take anyone who qualifies because those different MOS' make the team stronger than the sum of it's parts.

The odds of the 75th not allowing you to go SF are slim....unless you're a dirtbag.

Whatever job you choose, wherever you go, crush everything you do. Mediocrity has no business in any role in any Special Operations unit.

If you go 91F, or any MOS, then give it your all, give the unit 2-3 years which repays it for its "investment" and then decide if you want to go elsewhere. Planning the next step before you even have a foot in the door is rather arrogant. One bridge at a time.

Good luck.
 
Thank you for taking the time to bang all that out for me, Freefall. I really appreciate it and also thanks to the others who have dropped in and left their input. That was exactly the kind of information I was looking for. I apologize for coming off as arrogant and I am definantly taking things one day at a time.
Thanks for all of the well wishes as well, gents.
 
I feel as if you took something that I posted the wrong way and if I came off as a smart-pass I sincerely apologize. I am by no means a know-it-all and to put it bluntly I don't know shit other than what I have read or people in know have told me. I am just asking questions to get a better understanding and make a concrete decision.
From what I am understanding if I go 91F option 40 I would just be qualifying myself to do the 91F job as a Ranger?


From the reading I've done on Shadowspear Rangers and SF have different mission parameters.
Do any of you guys ever switch over to SF after you have been in the Rangers a while since the types of missions that Rangers and SF do differ so much? I have seen SF guys at Carson with Ranger tabs and wondered where those gentlemen began.

Asking questions is cool, although it's preferred if you use the search function. Armorers will make all the things all the doorkickers use to cause lead impingement in skulls, function. Pure and simple. That's the job. You might move from place to place during a deployment to do a rotation of support for individualized elements (as an armorer buddy did during his deployment, albeit not in Regiment) but generally speaking you'll be part of a shop that has work come in to fix/upgrade/replace/repair/modify.

Ranger school is Ranger school. It has little to do with Ranger Regiment other than it's required for direct combatant MOS'es in order to assume leadership positions, and preferred for leadership positions across the board. SF sends people. The USMC sends people. The Navy sends people (rarely) as does the Air Force. Basically the only service that doesn't send anyone is the USCG (never heard of it myself, anyway). The regular army sends the vast majority of the attendees. The Tab is a School, The Scroll is a way of life. Making the assumption that someone was in Ranger Regiment solely because they have a Ranger tab is probably one of the worst assumptions you can make, considering the Ranger tab only shows they did 60-some-odd days of suck and passed the school. Nothing more.
 
Thanks, Psych. You guys are awesome. I'm going to stay the course and stay laser focused on what is to come.
Not sure if anyone else has had this issue but everytime i try to use the search feature I get a script error on the page with this phone or it will tell me I need to log in even though I'm online.
 
They will probably recognize your skills and only pull you from the armament shop for the most secret and most dangerous missions...

... just kidding. The most dangerous thing you will do on a deployment is swing a rubber mallet close to your fingers.

91F being an asset to an ODA, not really. ODAs usually bring enough spare guns that whatever can't be easily repaired by swapping out parts just gets replaced until later. Besides, an armorer isn't a blacksmith or a machinist- they can't fabricate new items that aren't already on hand.
 
You want to be an asset to an SF team? Become a carpenter, an electrician or a plumber before you enter the Army, or become one in the Army! You know how much time I spent fabricating things vs actual cool guy stuff? Alot more! The best guy to have around is a guy that knows a little bit about a lot of different things.
 
Having looked back at what I, and everyone else has said here..... I'm going to go on a bit of a fucking rant..... but there's a method to the madness.

A: Ranger Regiment revolves around the Airborne Ranger Infantryman. Every other MOS in Regiment, and every attachment TO Regiment, is there for the sole purpose of being a force multiplier on the battlefield for the Ranger Fire team up to Regiment as a whole. The supply guy. The medic. The communications specialists. The mortarmen (Although they're infantry as well), the Forward Observers... the armorers... the intel weenies, the cooks the the the the. Everything is there to make sure that steely eyed rather poorly socialized and extremely well trained Ranger Infantryman only has his own physical and mental faculties to have to worry about when he's closing with and destroying the enemies of our country. Even CST's are only there because they happen to sometimes make it easier to find the person who needs a bullet to the dome. That's the mission, that's the task, that's the blood stain on the spear.​

B: Regiment conducts operations on its own. A LOT. When other smaller SOF elements need more people than they can shit on their own, yes we'd help. It's a grand time, someone else did most of the legwork already and we get to blow shit up and probably shoot someone in the face, and you're providing ammo/explosives too? FUCK YEAH SIGN ME UP. Lived for months with an ODA in Afghanistan. Know how many ops we did with/for them? ZIP. There's been plenty of joint missions that Regiment's been on, because once again, Regiment's pretty much got more manpower than damn near any two other SOF elements combined, and a fuckton of organic assets that we bring to the fight.

It's like calling that one cousin because you need some demolition done prior to putting up an addition to your house, except he shows up with 10 guys piled into the crew cab of his truck, 2 coolers of beer and a truck bed with another 15 dudes you never even met but they heard on the grapevine something needed to get broken. Just make sure you do a good OPORD so only the wall you want taken out gets taken out, otherwise Sua Sponte might get put into effect and you'll be remodeling the entire damn house, like it or not.​

C: Regiment is a stand-alone entity and is not, should not be considered as, nor really ever will be, a stepping stone organization within the DOD. Those that think that are careerist fucks and probably won't last long IN Regiment because once you get INTO Regiment with a mentality like that, the pack sniffs you out because you're different, act different, and we generally don't like you because you're different in that manner. We could care less about race, orientation (but we'll mock you the same if you stare in a shower), etc... but careerists don't have a focus on the shit at hand because their hearts aren't in it, nor are their minds... and it shows in their quality of work from PT to ranges to, to, to.​

D: Regiment is a GREAT place to move forward from if you are a solid performer. I have buddies who are officers of all makes and models from cyberwarfare to intel to supply to aviation. I have buddies who are Green Beanies and bearded ones and everything inbetween. Your performance in Regiment will follow you as a general rule one assignment beyond, if not two, from within Regiment simply due to "bleedover" from Regiment when people just want to try something different due to personal choices. Regiment has, does, and will support solid Rangers that decide that they want to try to do something else, somewhere else, down the line after being in Regiment... but you're not going to get that support unless your chain of command has seen that you're squared the fuck away.​

E: If you take the Ranger mentality, even in a subdued fashion, elsewhere in the military.. Anywhere else in the military.... you'll usually do fantastic. Having said that though, no other unit in the army IS Ranger Regiment. SF does things the SF way. 160th does things the Nightstalker way. Other branches/elements do things their way. Sometimes you might have to buck the system Ranger style if things are failing to be adequate, but thinking/executing outside the box in that manner requires a requisite and intimate knowledge of what's IN the box, to know the factual basis where standard doctrinal or otherwise "accepted and appropriate" methods of operation do NOT apply for that situation...​

Regiment has a strong, well trained foundation in simple infantry operations and tactics.... and then takes that first layer of the cake, slaps on some icing of good personnel that are solid performers, throws on another layer of Regiment Specific operation types and methods, and then finishes the cake off with more icing of joint operations experience and hard focused training.. That is why Regiment can do what it does... without the basics, you *can't* be highspeed. Otherwise it's like benching 450 and never having done leg day, it's imbalanced and in the end will bite you in the ass at some point.​

Long story short... Don't even bother trying to go to Regiment unless you're going to fully give 100% and then some TO Regiment and what Regiment is and does.
 
Once again, Ranger Psych, Thanks for being real and taking time out to respond. Your enthusiasm motivates the hell out of me and I appreciate your "rant". I'm looking at less than two weeks until I ship out. I'm nervous as hell but I'm taking everything one step at a time and trying not to think too far ahead. No matter what I do though, or in what capacity I may be doing it, I will give my 110%. That I can promise.
 
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