A sad day for the soldier/seaman/airman on the ground.... (A-10/CAS Discussion)

Key point from the article.
Navy Pilots.
NavSpecWarCom drove Imminent Fury, which was killed off by ACC (bastards)
So SpecWarCom came up with another proof of concept mission.

I hope they put Black Pony stickers on the nose.
Didn't see the post where they had them on the plane.
The Imminent Fury guys had Black Pony stickers on their planes too.

OV-10 is a better FAC than the A-10, 2nd set of eyes can help a lot. I suspect it burns a lot less Jet Fuel than the A-10 which makes the money changers happy.
 
DA SWO said:
I hope they put Black Pony stickers on the nose.
Didn't see the post where they had them on the plane.
The Imminent Fury guys had Black Pony stickers on their planes too.
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They even have Navy BuNos on the tail.

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ETA the A-29 w/ Black Pony.
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My question about the Skyraider was meant in jest. Very interesting about the Val-4s, I wasn't aware of that program. Unless I'm mistaken, the Marine OV10s that spotted for us carried no bombs and were not assigned to any CAS role. We got F4s, Scooters, Cobras or VNAF Skyraiders.
 
Ocoka One said:
My question about the Skyraider was meant in jest. Very interesting about the Val-4s, I wasn't aware of that program. Unless I'm mistaken, the Marine OV10s that spotted for us carried no bombs and were not assigned to any CAS role. We got F4s, Scooters, Cobras or VNAF Skyraiders.
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I am sure the Marine OV-10's had smoke rockets and .50 cal.
I have to back and look to see if the AF guys supporting SOG had flechettes along with smoke.
 
Another article, this one with some more stats that answers some of my earlier questions.

Why Is America Using These Antique Planes to Fight ISIS?

The twin-engine Broncos—each flown by a pair of naval aviators—completed 134 sorties, including 120 combat missions, over a span of 82 days beginning in May 2015 or shortly thereafter, according to U.S. Central Command, which oversees America’s wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.

An F-15 can cost as much as $40,000 per flight-hour just for fuel and maintenance. By contrast, a Bronco can cost as little as $1,000 for an hour of flying.

The Defense Department slipped $20 million into its 2012 budget to pay for the two OV-10s to deploy overseas—part of a wider military experiment with smaller, cheaper warplanes.
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10 million to refurb and modernize the planes. Our A-29 contract with Afghanistan clocks in around 21 million per plane but includes spares, training, etc. Various sources have a new A-29 coming in around 12 million, give or take.
 
DA SWO said:
I am sure the Marine OV-10's had smoke rockets and .50 cal.
I have to back and look to see if the AF guys supporting SOG had flechettes along with smoke.
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I'm sure they had something to sting with.

My personal experience with OV10s is restricted to the POV of a young grunt who thought they were cool. I commed with pilots whenever I had the PRC25 on search & destroy; and I got close up to some on board the USS Okinawa and was able to look into the cockpits like an awestruck kid. So whatever they use them for is fine with me

If I'd joined the Nevada ANG instead of the NCANG I might've been able to play with em, at least on the ground.
 
Freefalling said:
Easiest way to see one of those fly is to act a fool on this board...
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The Stukas have long been known for their dive bombing effectiveness. They are dependable, accurate, and best known for the fear they induce, when one comes to discover that they are the target.

The Germans had pretty good luck with them too:sneaky:.
 
Red Flag 1 said:
The Stukas have long been known for their dive bombing effectiveness. They are dependable, accurate, and best known for the fear they induce, when one comes to discover that they are the target.

The Germans had pretty good luck with them too:sneaky:.
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They had sirens on them, didn't they? So they'd scream in a dive.
 
Ocoka One said:
They had sirens on them, didn't they? So they'd scream in a dive.
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Yes some did have sirens installed. Hitler is said to have liked using them for the increased fear factor the added sound brought. As if the bombs didn't scare folks enough :rolleyes:.
 
A very interesting article which might as well say "We read a thread on Shadowspear.com...." Rather than quoting a bunch of text, these two graphs sum it up, minus one point below. I am surprised the F-15 ranked so low. The handful of JTAC's I've spoken to like the Strike Eagle.

Views from the Ground on the A-10 Debate

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But the vast majority of the conversations were not about the characteristics of the weapons. What the JTACs wanted was a “warm fuzzy.” They wanted to interact with a pilot that had skin in the game because they were flying close enough to the ground to put them in danger. They wanted someone whose primary purpose was to conduct CAS — not to shoot down stray enemy aircraft or act as a data-targeting “cloud” in the sky. As our surveys show, even though the A-10 was the preferred platform, many on the ground also support multi-mission platforms like the F-16 and the F-18. The real concern was not necessarily the aircraft, but the increasingly diverse set of missions these pilots were being called to conduct.
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Shack.
 
SpongeBob*24 said:
I am surprised not to see the B1 on the list and that it got beat out by an F-18.......
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B-1s are good in certain situations. Overall, I'm taking a lot of other platforms before I take a B-1 though. Just like the graph shows.
 

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