Active Shooter - Munich, Germany

[SpitfireV]

Yes definitely. F6 info is that the police have searched his place and found stuff about mass shootings but nothing ISIS related yet.

 

[RackMaster]

Saw that this morning. I wouldn't discount his heritage and religion though, he could have been groomed at a nearby mosque.

 

[SpitfireV]

Same date as the Norway massacre a few years back remember.

 

[Florida173]

Same date as the Norway massacre a few years back remember.

I'd say that that would warrant legitimate speculation on a possible copycat absent of proof one way or another.

 

[Salt USMC]

Well...this was unexpected

Munich gunman fixated on mass killing, had no Islamist ties | Reuters

 

[AWP]

Well...this was unexpected

Munich gunman fixated on mass killing, had no Islamist ties | Reuters

And I just finished moving this thread.

 

[Red Flag 1]

At one point in the coverage, there was mention of the Germans holding the Muslim Community somewhat responsible for notifying authorities about new/suspicious people seen in their communities. It was mentioned in both German, and British coverage. Seems like a reasonable request for the good of their nations.

 

[CQB]

Or he might just be a mental bastard. Remains to be seen.

Terrorism and extremism unfortunately seems to be an easy draw for the mentally unwell.

There is increasing interest in the intersection of a criminal past & mental health which has been taken up here. If you look at a couple of events, Sydney, Nice & now Munich there is a pattern of men with this background. Radicalism in these cases is somewhat incidental and comes very quickly. The person has an issue with the world at large and can claim his actions are in the name of ISIS, who won't have a problem of claiming the attack if its successful.

 

[Red Flag 1]

It is not uncommon to find people with mental illness, easy recruits for many things. Common misdemeanor behavior all the way up to capital crimes. Some who live on the thin edge between normal and abnormal will count on being found not guilty by reason of mental illness; it sometimes backfires. I had one patient who was admitted for alcoholism, among other things about him, we found that in reality, the patient was devoid of feeling guilt or any remorse for his behavior. He was a pure sociopathic person who was using alcohol intake to cover for some of his poor behavior. If you add a little alcohol, praise, narcotics, and sex, even people who are mentally stable will go where you lead them. Because of the high death rate among the mass murders , it is hard to tell if mentally ill people have been recruited or not. If they are locally known, their medical/social history would help sort that out. I think the mass killers we have been seeing are not locals.

 

[SpitfireV]

There is increasing interest in the intersection of a criminal past & mental health which has been taken up here. If you look at a couple of events, Sydney, Nice & now Munich there is a pattern of men with this background. Radicalism in these cases is somewhat incidental and comes very quickly. The person has an issue with the world at large and can claim his actions are in the name of ISIS, who won't have a problem of claiming the attack if its successful.

In some case I don't think you could even call one or two of them actually radicalised- it's more of a convenient and topical excuse for them to do nasty things.

 

[CQB]

Concur

 

[Rapid]

Germany blast: Ansbach bar explosion 'leaves one dead' - BBC News

An explosion at a bar in the southern German city of Ansbach, near Nuremberg, has killed one person and injured several others, reports say.

Germany machete attack: Syria migrant 'kills woman' - BBC News

A machete attack by a Syrian asylum-seeker has left one pregnant woman dead and two other people injured, police in south-western Germany say.


Plenty more where that come from.


Regarding the initial story/attack, it's funny how the media is trying to scrub any mention of his Iranian heritage. Most mainstream news stories ended up naming him "David Sonboly" or just put "David" first, when in fact his full name is Ali David Sonboly, and Ali is the first name he was known to by everyone (based on interviews with the locals). And of course this has now become about 'tightening gun control' in a country which already has very tight gun laws... which wouldn't have allowed him to purchase a semi-auto weapon (9mm Glock) in the first place. And he did indeed buy it illegally off the internet. But hey, let's ignore that!

Oh yeah, and he had a friend:

Munich shootings: Police arrest 16-year-old Afghan - BBC News

Police in Munich say they have arrested a 16-year-old Afghan friend of David Ali Sonboly, who killed nine people at a Munich shopping centre on Friday.

They say the teenager is under investigation for failing to report the attacker's plans, and that he could have been an accomplice.

 

[Marine0311]

Germany needs to bring back some hardcore polizei ass whippings.

 

[Etype]

I love how every Muslim who commits these obvious terror attacks has, "no terrorist/extremist ties." The liberal media wants them to have fucking ISIS ID cards or something.

Just today, NPR was talking about the, "victims of a truck accident in Nice, France."

 

[Beagle]

Yeah no ISIS ties.........suspect just from Syria.......of course just like Hillary didn't do anything wrong.

To be honest, I'm not surprised at all.

 

[Rapid]

Germany needs to bring back some hardcore polizei ass whippings.

Agree, but I'm afraid that the only things getting whipped in Western Europe are the police forces themselves.