Advice for Physical training

[JJ]

I'm sure you guys have seen this question a million times and I apologize for that. I'm 23 and really looking into para rescue. I'm currently in medic school in college and when I read about the PJs i knew it's something I wanted to look into. I'm reading "Tonight We Die as Men" soon to get a feel for what they go through.

To cut it short I know the physical demands are high and I'm looking for any advice to get into the physical shape I need to be prepared to destroy the PAST and be prepared for PJ training.

Thanks.

 

[CDG]

I'm sure you guys have seen this question a million times and I apologize for that.

Did you do any kind of a search for this topic before starting a thread on it?

 

[pardus]

http://www.shadowspear.com/vb/threads/physical-training-for-the-past.21663/#post-358324

@JJ take CDG's advice and do some searching on the site before asking questions you know has been asked here "a million times" before. You will find and get help here, but we won't spoon feed you, understood? Ask yourself this, do you think being lazy is a good trait for a PJ?

 

[JJ]

http://www.shadowspear.com/vb/threads/physical-training-for-the-past.21663/#post-358324

@JJ take CDG's advice and do some searching on the site before asking questions you know has been asked here "a million times" before. You will find and get help here, but we won't spoon feed you, understood? Ask yourself this, do you think being lazy is a good trait for a PJ?

No but I have done research. Found a few sites and have a friend that has done some of the training. Again, any help I can get I appreciate. I don't expect you to spoon feed me or answer my thread but if anyone does I appreciate that they do in the first place because you could never have "enough advice"

And to answer CDG I did do some research. I am just want to see what other people with experience have to say.

 

[JJ]

I say everything with respect @pardus and @CDG

 

[Ooh-Rah]

@JJ , here's a little trick that just may get you what you are looking for. Instead of simply saying, "I've looked this stuff up", instead try something like this:

"Guys, I've searched the following terms and phrases (asdf, asdf, and asdasfasdfsafsfsaf). What I found was this: asfsdklsdfjklsdfjklsfjkdsajsdja
Now, what I don't get is asfjkldfjkdjfdsakj, and based on what I've listed so far, what do you thing I might be missing to improve my asdkjalsjlkaf.
For your convenience, I've posted a few of the links and threads in the site that I've read through:" www.asdfsasa www.adsakfalkj etc.

Now the guys who have the answers see that you did a little homework, and might be more inclined to help you.

In my humble opinion, that is how you ask professionals for advice "with respect", vs. having to say that you are doing so.

 

[JJ]

@JJ , here's a little trick that just may get you what you are looking for. Instead of simply saying, "I've looked this stuff up", instead try something like this:

"Guys, I've searched the following terms and phrases (asdf, asdf, and asdasfasdfsafsfsaf). What I found was this: asfsdklsdfjklsdfjklsfjkdsajsdja
Now, what I don't get is asfjkldfjkdjfdsakj, and based on what I've listed so far, what do you thing I might be missing to improve my asdkjalsjlkaf.
For your convenience, I've posted a few of the links and threads in the site that I've read through:" www.asdfsasa www.adsakfalkj etc.

Now the guys who have the answers see that you did a little homework, and might be more inclined to help you.

In my humble opinion, that is how you ask professionals for advice "with respect", vs. having to say that you are doing so.

Damn... Im sorry. I should have thought about wording the question differently. Honestly, sorry about that.... Thank you for pointing that out. And thank you @CDG and @pardus for opening my eyes to that mentality because I need to be prepared for that.

I know pararescue has its medical aspects and I'm not too worried about the medical training because im currently a medic student and those things are easy for me to learn. When it comes to fitness I have looked into Rescue Athlete and SOF WOD. I also ran into this link and compared myself to it. http://www.military.com/military-fitness/air-force-special-operations/air-force-para-rescue

I can currently achieve everything except the running which I can train for easily but the water is where I need most improvement. I have a friend that will help me with underwaters that has done the training himself but I was wondering if anyone else had any tips on how to improve and what to improve in the water (especially treading water)?

 

[AWP]

I can currently achieve everything except the running which I can train for easily but the water is where I need most improvement. I have a friend that will help me with underwaters that has done the training himself but I was wondering if anyone else had any tips on how to improve and what to improve in the water (especially treading water)?

Did you search for "treading" on this forum?

 

[JJ]

Did you search for "treading" on this forum?

I've searched this forum and the mentor group forums and the one thing I found was holding onto the wall a treading for a while and then off the wall repeatedly in increasing minute intervals. I don't know if there is a way to search a specific term in this forum and if there is how do you do it? I must have missed it.

 

[JJ]

Did you search for "treading" on this forum?

I just figured it out and I searched it and didn't find anything in specific that helps you develop in treading water.

 

[AWP]

I've searched this forum and the mentor group forums and the one thing I found was holding onto the wall a treading for a while and then off the wall repeatedly in increasing minute intervals. I don't know if there is a way to search a specific term in this forum and if there is how do you do it? I must have missed it.

I think you missed it. There's a post which describes the different styles. It doesn't go into detail, but using those terms and Google or Youtube...

 

[JJ]

I think you missed it. There's a post which describes the different styles. It doesn't go into detail, but using those terms and Google or Youtube...

Ok yeah I saw the terms. I'm going to do that then! Thanks for the help.

 

[CDG]

 

[policemedic]

I'm going to send you an old priest and a young priest; you need them. Here's why.

You clearly don't know what you don't know. You're not worried about PJ medical training because you're in a college based paramedic program and doing well (by your standards)? I'll preface this by saying I'm not a PJ, but I served as an Army combat medic and have been known to place a bandaid every now and again in my current billet. Suffice it to say there is a radical difference between military medicine such as practiced by Pararescuemen and what you are learning. I emphasize learning because you don't have NRP after your name yet. Judging by your lack of attention of detail and demonstrated inability to properly manipulate the Queen's English, I think you need to study harder and give serious thought to how you come across. You want to convey the image of a budding professional; you have not done so. As many have said, your reputation starts now. If you make it into the pipeline, people on this site will see you. If you make it further along the pipeline, more people from here will see you.

Why is attention to detail important? It is what will keep you, your team mates, and your patients alive. Missing a detail as small as a mm of deflection on an EKG or a change in IV rate can kill your patient. Missing a subtle threat indicator can get you killed. You want to join the best combat search and rescue force in the world and yet you're having trouble picking up details from a simple website. This is especially notable because your college education (in paramedicine no less!) should be imparting good research skills.

No one is asking you to be a Rhodes scholar. However, a bolus of motivation, attention to detail, and initiative is clearly needed on your part if you want to be successful in the military.

 

[amlove21]

Big gulps huh? Alright!

 

[JJ]

I'm going to send you an old priest and a young priest; you need them. Here's why.

You clearly don't know what you don't know. You're not worried about PJ medical training because you're in a college based paramedic program and doing well (by your standards)? I'll preface this by saying I'm not a PJ, but I served as an Army combat medic and have been known to place a bandaid every now and again in my current billet. Suffice it to say there is a radical difference between military medicine such as practiced by Pararescuemen and what you are learning. I emphasize learning because you don't have NRP after your name yet. Judging by your lack of attention of detail and demonstrated inability to properly manipulate the Queen's English, I think you need to study harder and give serious thought to how you come across. You want to convey the image of a budding professional; you have not done so. As many have said, your reputation starts now. If you make it into the pipeline, people on this site will see you. If you make it further along the pipeline, more people from here will see you.

Why is attention to detail important? It is what will keep you, your team mates, and your patients alive. Missing a detail as small as a mm of deflection on an EKG or a change in IV rate can kill your patient. Missing a subtle threat indicator can get you killed. You want to join the best combat search and rescue force in the world and yet you're having trouble picking up details from a simple website. This is especially notable because your college education (in paramedicine no less!) should be imparting good research skills.

No one is asking you to be a Rhodes scholar. However, a bolus of motivation, attention to detail, and initiative is clearly needed on your part if you want to be successful in the military.

Thanks for what you wrote. I don't think medics and PJ medical training Are the same. I understand its a hell of a lot more trauma and a lot faster paced and I am sure it's surrounded by chaos. So it's really different. Understood. But I will have some knowledge going in. I understand I had some lack of paying attention to detail going in this forum. I'm not going to justify myself anymore but I'm just going to take this as a learning experience. Understood there is a lot I have to learn: self discipline, attention to detail, common sense, etc. I know I shouldn't assume things I did and that was my first mistake. I assumed I could just ask anything here. So I want to apologize for posting something that wasted your time. I was never trying to convey an image. I am just honestly trying to obtain to the most information possible. Thanks again for everyone's input.

 

[Wild Bill]

Everything these guys are saying is correct. The one thing that will make or brake you is you. It's hard to explain. You either have it or you don't. Initial phases will clear that up. Are there things you can do to improve your outcome? Yes. The great thing about it is that you are the decision maker. Normally the odds are not on your side but that's not up to me or anyone else but you. It's not to be persued because it looks courageous and you want to be recognized. Because that shit does not happen except on a site like this. Friends dying in training and in combat never fully appreciated for the sacrifice. But families are left fatherless and children grow up with only teammates and family fully comprehending over time. It's truely a self sacrifice.

 

[Wild Bill]

I'm new to this site yet not to this world and what it involves especially what is given up to be in the military (no matter what your MOS). I will submit my items to be verified soon.

 

[amlove21]

I'm new to this site yet not to this world and what it involves especially what is given up to be in the military (no matter what your MOS). I will submit my items to be verified soon.

Ok. Well, not really an issue per se, just make it happen sooner rather than later if you expect anyone to actually listen/internalize what you're saying.

Keep in mind though- the topic is physical preparation for the Pararescue pipeline. And while you may/may not have life experience, you saying "I'm new to this site yet not to this world and what it involves especially what is given up to be in the military (no matter what your MOS)." is a little- I don't know, frustrating?- when given the context.

Let's have a thought experiment.

Would you feel it is valid if someone said, "You know, I've been on sports teams- I was a pro dart player. Now, I have never played professional football, but I played darts, and that's pretty much the same thing. I'm new to this conversation yet not to this world and what it involves especially what is given up to be a professional athlete (no matter what your sport)."? That's not valid right?

Cause that's kind of what you did.


Thank you for your service, I look forward to seeing you get vetted, and I look forward to your further inputs.

But maybe take a bit, read a lot, post a little, and stay in your lane. It'll help.

 

[Red Flag 1]

I'm new to this site yet not to this world and what it involves especially what is given up to be in the military (no matter what your MOS). I will submit my items to be verified soon.

That you are "new" is a given, and obvious. Why not simply vet now, and let your credentials speak for you?

I was @ WRAMC, for part of the Viet Nam conflict, looking after enlisted general surgery patients, and it was near Christmas. Press members would show up asking to see the " boys from Viet Nam", those words were red flags for us at that time. One evening, one of the med techs stopped me and said that" a man claiming to be the Comptroler of The Army was here, and wanted to see the boys from Viet Nam"; the red flag was waving. The gentleman was pointed out to me, and was out of uniform. To protect my patients, I approached the gentleman, got him away from my boys, and said, " Sir, I would like to see your Military ID, so I may offer you the respect that you deserve". He was who he said he was. The same applies here; does it not?