Kraut783
SOF Support
Yep, combat vets with PTSD claims :wall:
Another Tormented Drone Operator
- Thread starter AWP
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Just the guy in the Blue Suit with a star on each shoulder.
Right, so does that make these clowns combat vets?
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Now there's a one woman show about their torment. There is nothing left now, I've officially seen everything.
http://www.startribune.com/entertainment/stageandarts/282073231.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/26/t...lay-grounded-brings-him-to-new-york.html?_r=0
In “Grounded,” now up in a Frank Theatre production at the Playwrights’ Center in Minneapolis, Sha Cage paces the floor with sharp, quick steps. At the opening of this show and against a backdrop of sky-hued screens, her walk is clear as her words, which are forceful and determined. Cage plays a fighter pilot who loves nothing more than doing barrel rolls in the blue. Her character, unnamed in George Brant’s highly-charged one-act, is at a crossroads. After becoming pregnant, she decides to have the child and to settle down with the girl’s father.
http://www.startribune.com/entertainment/stageandarts/282073231.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/26/t...lay-grounded-brings-him-to-new-york.html?_r=0
In “Grounded,” now up in a Frank Theatre production at the Playwrights’ Center in Minneapolis, Sha Cage paces the floor with sharp, quick steps. At the opening of this show and against a backdrop of sky-hued screens, her walk is clear as her words, which are forceful and determined. Cage plays a fighter pilot who loves nothing more than doing barrel rolls in the blue. Her character, unnamed in George Brant’s highly-charged one-act, is at a crossroads. After becoming pregnant, she decides to have the child and to settle down with the girl’s father.
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"At least I got chicken." -LJ 
And it continues: http://breakingdefense.com/2014/11/war-is-no-video-game-not-even-remotely/
Mentally, the pilot is inside a Predator, though the drone is half a world away. Emotionally, he is at war.
Nearly a decade-and-a-half after that first-ever intercontinental air strike by a UAV, that fleeting image remains burned into my memory.
Mentally, the pilot is inside a Predator, though the drone is half a world away. Emotionally, he is at war.
Nearly a decade-and-a-half after that first-ever intercontinental air strike by a UAV, that fleeting image remains burned into my memory.
http://news.yahoo.com/first-pilot-f...s-silence-211651738--abc-news-topstories.html
Herein is a Drone Operator/Pilot who felt he wanted his 15 minutes of fame.
Herein is a Drone Operator/Pilot who felt he wanted his 15 minutes of fame.
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What was so bad about this story?
I fucking want this guy's head in the RPV, and I want him emotionally connected to the guys on the ground. That emotional connection is supposed to be one of the reasons an A-10 is better then a B-52.
You've never said a silent "please God don't let me fuck up" prayer, I have (and still do).
His story struck me as matter-of-fact, I didn't see any whining or I have PTSD, the guy at Creech, cannon, NY, or Asscrackistan has to have his head in the game or he/she will be the next friendly fire story.
The fact is, you have to "be in the drone" to fly them, leaning and twisting as you fly is no different then someone twisting their body around when "shooting" a FATS M-9 or M-4.
Bitch about something worth bitching about, like the former SrA who never left the TACC at Scott and now claims she dropped bombs on women and children, that's worth bitching about.
Bitch about the fact this guy talked about drones over Afghanistan prior to 2001.
Seriously dude, your profile says your 16. Your going to criticize a guy who spent 20+ years in uniform, probably flew low-level over Bosnia and Kosovo and other locations while you were still latched onto your mothers tits. Make it through the pipeline and I'll be impressed.
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Because mentally real pilots are thinking about pickup lines for chicks in bars.
But seriously, you bring up a great point, this whole issue is pathetic.
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Absolutely. PTSD/"tormented operator" issues aside, I agree 100% that this should not be regarded as a video game where the guys on the ground are a figment of my PS3's imagination.
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I almost think they consider themselves outcasts, ie. the "forgotten ones". The ones that are CONUS know they have it better than anyone in combat zones. My guess is that they want to feel more relevant? As far as I can tell, it is only the Air Force UAV drivers that are being out spoken. Do they also have OCONUS deployments like the Army, or are they strictly CONUS operations?
I thought the second half of the article @SOTGWarrior linked to was interesting.
Like @Totentanz already brought up, the drone "pilots" are the only ones talking about all this crap. You don't see A-10 or F-16 pilots talking about their missions and how horrible and taxing they were. You want to make the point that you take the job seriously and it's not a video game, fine. But enough with the "images scarred into my head".
Originally I had only read the first couple of paragraphs and assumed that he was complaining like that other guy. I just read the whole story and apologize for the disrespect in my first post. Lesson learned: read the whole article.
Negative. That wasn't the lesson. You're 16. Exactly where do you see a good reason for you to be weighing in on this discussion?
