Ebola Outbreak of 2014

[Centermass]

Well it's kind of convenient to make an accusation based on supposition, because that is so much harder to disprove.

Again do you want to argue how these healthcare professional volunteered to risk there lives to fight this deadly disease suddenly run home to, in her case Maine, and wantonly put her loved ones at risk so they can prove what point? They hate America and are Obama loyal supporters willing to kill their own families in the service of Obama. Did I cover all the conspiracies in that summation?

Conspiracy theory? Really???

Not supposition, conjecture or speculation. In this case:

1. It's already fact she modified her Linkedin account to cover her ass. That's the reason the screenshot was grabbed before she had a chance to change it. That alone, speaks volumes.

2. As for her leanings, she's openly stated what lines she sides with. And therein lies the problem.

This shouldn't be political theater for anyone. It's one about the health and welfare of all. This isn't about suppressing ones civil liberties. But the attitude displayed by this person, who's made it political theater because of her selfish attitude of defying everyone along the way, has me shaking my head.

She may very well never display any of the symptoms. I don't wish that on her or anyone else for that matter. It's the fact that she continues to act as if she's a doctor declaring "I'm symptom free"

So, what if today, she begins to exhibit signs of the strain?

I don't believe ebola is something to get totally bent out of shape about, but at the same time, but her attitude of "I know more than anyone else" and because of that "I refuse to comply by what has been asked of me" is the main problem here.

And once again, instead of real leadership and decision making by our commander in chief, and taking the bull by the horns early on and addressing the issues and coming up with a common sense response, we get "We're still looking at our policies concerning this and reviewing them" .....cough cough.

And that only boosts her sense of entitlement for her own personal crusade.

Lastly, I don't know how much this administration is paying Klain, but from what I've seen, he's been about as worthless as tits on a boar hog. Another example of government waste in action, for a figure head in name only and nothing else. Argue that.

 

[pardus]

My first question and only question is, do you actually believe that these professional health care works just give of their personal time to go and risk there own life's trying to help these people first hand to fight one of the most deadly diseases known to man. Then they turn around and come home with a wanton disregard for the safety of their loved ones and the general public and the risk of a disease that they have dealt with first hand?

Yes.

 

[Scotth]

Conspiracy theory? Really???

Not supposition, conjecture or speculation. In this case:

1. It's already fact she modified her Linkedin account to cover her ass. That's the reason the screenshot was grabbed before she had a chance to change it. That alone, speaks volumes.

2. As for her leanings, she's openly stated what lines she sides with. And therein lies the problem.<clipped for size>

She is asymptomatic at this point. It why the court ruled in her favor that the state can't hold her. They can track her movements and monitor her health but they can't deprive her of her liberty.

Your right this shouldn't be about political theatre but there is plenty of grand standing going on from both sides. To many people want to ignore the experts an interject what they believe is "common sense".

If she becomes symptomatic, she does what the doctor did, and goes in and get treated.

Well you may see her actions as a sense of entitlement I see it as being pissed off at getting held against her will without justification. I don't have a problem screening people and hold those that are symptomatic but the state has to justify their detention.

The only reason Klain got appointed was because of all the political grand standing on the right and yes it is a waste of money. I know you don't like anything Obama does but at the end of the day we have zero people infected in the general population and zero Americans dead of Ebola. Not a bad record at this point.

 

[pardus]

She is asymptomatic at this point. It why the court ruled in her favor that the state can't hold her. They can track her movements and monitor her health but they can't deprive her of her liberty.

Your right this shouldn't be about political theatre but there is plenty of grand standing going on from both sides. To many people want to ignore the experts an interject what they believe is "common sense".

If she becomes symptomatic, she does what the doctor did, and goes in and get treated.

Well you may see her actions as a sense of entitlement I see it as being pissed off at getting held against her will without justification. I don't have a problem screening people and hold those that are symptomatic but the state has to justify their detention.

The only reason Klain got appointed was because of all the political grand standing on the right and yes it is a waste of money. I know you don't like anything Obama does but at the end of the day we have zero people infected in the general population and zero Americans dead of Ebola. Not a bad record at this point.

First of all, fuck her. She's a self centered bitch.

Experts? Ive seen health departments etc... say she should be quarantined and lawers and politicians say release her. What "experts" are you talking about?

If she becomes symptomatic, her boyfriend is fucked and anyone else she has close contact with. Why should she be given the opportunity to infect people?

Justify her detention? Seriously? How about obeying protocols that are in place to stop millions of people dying? Seems like a pretty good justification to me!

Zero people infected? Really Scott? Nurse ring a bell? Not general population? You're being very narrow minded IMO.

The American right/sense of ME FIRST will be the downfall of this country if a truly dangerous biologic threat emerges. "I don't want to do what's right for the public because it inconveniences me" will kill millions of people.
Like it or not liberty and personal freedom only goes so far. Are you willing to let a couple of million of your own citizens die to protect this bitch's liberty? A bit over the top? Sure, but that's what we are talking about bottom line.

Something like 675,000 Americans died during the Spanish Influenza outbreak of 1918, call me crazy, but I don't want to see that happen again.

 

[Polar Bear]

The American right/sense of ME FIRST will be the downfall of this country if a truly dangerous biologic threat emerges. "I don't want to do what's right for the public because it inconveniences me" will kill millions of people.
Like it or not liberty and personal freedom only goes so far. Are you willing to let a couple of million of your own citizens die to protect this bitch's liberty? A bit over the top? Sure, but that's what we are talking about bottom line.

Something like 675,000 Americans died during the Spanish Influenza outbreak of 1918, call me crazy, but I don't want to see that happen again.

Bingo, Chicken dinner, we have a winner. Now let's talk about me and how great I am, and when I am done you tell me how great I am.

 

[Scotth]

First of all, fuck her. She's a self centered bitch.

Experts? Ive seen health departments etc... say she should be quarantined and lawers and politicians say release her. What "experts" are you talking about?

If she becomes symptomatic, her boyfriend is fucked and anyone else she has close contact with. Why should she be given the opportunity to infect people?

Justify her detention? Seriously? How about obeying protocols that are in place to stop millions of people dying? Seems like a pretty good justification to me!

Zero people infected? Really Scott? Nurse ring a bell? Not general population? You're being very narrow minded IMO.

The American right/sense of ME FIRST will be the downfall of this country if a truly dangerous biologic threat emerges. "I don't want to do what's right for the public because it inconveniences me" will kill millions of people.
Like it or not liberty and personal freedom only goes so far. Are you willing to let a couple of million of your own citizens die to protect this bitch's liberty? A bit over the top? Sure, but that's what we are talking about bottom line.

Something like 675,000 Americans died during the Spanish Influenza outbreak of 1918, call me crazy, but I don't want to see that happen again.

Ok if Jersey's policy was driven by health professionals and legal precedent then explain why did Christie caved on his "health care driven policy" in a weekend and before a case could be filed Monday morning?

I'm sure Kaci and her boyfriend are well aware of the risks and doesn't need the government or anyone else to explain that to them.

Well obviously we disagree about the definition of general population and no I don't define health care professionals treating infected people and then getting sick from that exposure as the general population. As a professional computer geek how likely am I to contract Ebola from treating people that are sick? We may both be in the US general population but our risk levels are substantially different. Quarantines are about protecting the general population not the people treating the sick. The procedures for treating the sick is about protecting the health care workers.

Sure we can talk about outbreaks in 1918 if you want because the world and healthcare hasn't changed in the last century has it. Why don't we compare the Black Plague to this pandemic? The bigger question is why aren't people more worried about the flu then they are about Ebola? 3,000 to 49,000 die per years from the flu in American. Why don't we have mandatory flu quarantines or flu shots in the US?

 

[BloodStripe]

http://9gag.tv/p/aKAAkw/this-japanese-bikini-game-takes-a-very-weird-turn-nsfw?ref=fbl9

How ebola may spread. Scary.

 

[Scotth]

An the award for lightening the mood for 2014 goes to?

http://9gag.tv/p/aKAAkw/this-japanese-bikini-game-takes-a-very-weird-turn-nsfw?ref=fbl9

How ebola may spread. Scary.

I'm so offended btw

 

[Centermass]

Well you may see her actions as a sense of entitlement I see it as being pissed off at getting held against her will without justification. I don't have a problem screening people and hold those that are symptomatic but the state has to justify their detention.

You mean ONCE THEY BECOME INFECTED AND SHOW SIGNS?

Use common sense Scott. It's called an "Incubation period" for a reason. Neither she, the president, the cdc, doctors, lawyers or even x SF med knows when it will surface. That in my book (And most others who aren't self entitled, selfish and truly care about those around them) is justification enough. It's a matter of fact that if you take 1000 people, tell them "Hey, you all need to voluntarily self quarantine for the next 21 days." "Stay inside your home, don't go anywhere and have no contact or direct contact with anyone" how that will work in the end. It doesn't and won't. Having someone else deny you your liberty and freedom of movement is difficult enough to deal with. Doing it yourself is asking next to the impossible. Doctor Spencer being the exception as it appears he possesses the self discipline to do so, but his morals, values and beliefs are not centered within himself, unlike miss hickox.

The only reason Klain got appointed was because of all the political grand standing on the right and yes it is a waste of money. I know you don't like anything Obama does but at the end of the day we have zero people infected in the general population and zero Americans dead of Ebola. Not a bad record at this point.

Really? At the end of the day, it had absolutely xero, zip, nada to do with him. Much like the release of Andrew Tahmooressi. It took a former Governor, several members of congress and Montel Williams of all people to secure his freedom.

You act as if I have something against Obama personally. I don't. It's his decisions and decision making abilities (Or the lack thereof) along with how he goes about it that torques my screws. A leader gets in front of things. They attack problems head on and deal with them quickly, effectively and efficiently. It's really quite simple. Identify the problem. Develop a course(s) of action. Select a course of action. Implement, oversee and follow up. Obviously, this is something not taught in Community Organizing 101.

Instead, we have the CDC, (And others) who looked towards the WH, for some definitive, clear cut guidance, such as "Here's what we need you to do, or want you to do." "You have the ball." "What support or resources, policies do you require from us?" and got a blank stare instead or crickets chirping as a result.

Finally, it's not only the above, but his cherry picking of what he thinks is important enough to get him involved directly and quickly. Things like Henry Louis Gates getting arrested, Travon Martin getting shot, the incident at Ferguson. Amazing how the ink hadn't even dried on the newspapers regarding those issues and more, and yet, he was all over it.

I respect the office, don't know the man except what I've observed since he took office, and because of which, I take issue and have issues in the way he goes about carrying out his duties as CinC.

Pardon me if I sound pissed off. You have no idea.

 

[Scotth]

You mean ONCE THEY BECOME INFECTED AND SHOW SIGNS?

Use common sense Scott. It's called an "Incubation period" for a reason. Neither she, the president, the cdc, doctors, lawyers or even x SF med knows when it will surface. That in my book (And most others who aren't self entitled, selfish and truly care about those around them) is justification enough. It's a matter of fact that if you take 1000 people, tell them "Hey, you all need to voluntarily self quarantine for the next 21 days." "Stay inside your home, don't go anywhere and have no contact or direct contact with anyone" how that will work in the end. It doesn't and won't. Having someone else deny you your liberty and freedom of movement is difficult enough to deal with. Doing it yourself is asking next to the impossible. Doctor Spencer being the exception as it appears he possesses the self discipline to do so, but his morals, values and beliefs are not centered within himself, unlike miss hickox.

We obviously have different political views and I'm not here to defend Obama so lets just put that aside.

As far as Hickox, it not just a matter of when it will surface its a matter of IF it will surface. The whole point of Hickox wasn't about self quarantining. It was a about the state taking somebodies freedom away. She is asymptomatic and the science is clear that she can't spread the disease until that changes. Duncan who was symptomatic didn't infect his family. There is no evidence at this time the New York doctor infected anyone and we still have a week, week and half left to see if that is true. I don't see much difference between Spencer and Hickox. Before Hickox came along there was plenty of people criticizing Spenser's action about such thing like going bowling and going jogging etc.

Common sense for me is listening to the professionals that know more than I do.

 

[CDG]

Common sense for me is listening to the professionals that know more than I do.

She's not raising any hell over the troops returning to a 21-day mandatory quarantine. It's not about the science, it's about her. 21 days has been accepted as the standard incubation time before you can be sure you're free and clear. So just because she doesn't have symptoms now, doesn't mean they won't develop for the 21 days are up. That's the whole damn point of the quarantine. But some fucking nurse thinks she's an Ebola czar now. It sets a dangerous precedent that every other fucking clown can point to when deciding to ignore common sense protocols. After all, one person being inconvenienced is just one too many these days, right?

 

[Scotth]

Well I think we all understand the difference between the military life and civilian life.

Also it not some fucking nurse, its some fucking court that says the state can't restrict her movement while she is asymptomatic.

 

[AWP]

I think many of us, not all on this board, but many of us "self select" when we have a cold, particularly a fever. I know I don't go into work if I have a fever or think I'm a danger to others and this is just a cold. I hate it when "that guy" comes into work and infects the office and while I know the infection mechanism between a cold an ebola are vastly different (probably), the fact remains that many of us stay away from people. I even sleep in a different room when I have a cold to try and minimize the effects on my family. These "professionals" are acting anything but. Instead of internal discipline they say "The CDC cleared me to fly" which passes the buck. The woman in Maine is practically flaunting her "freedom" and whether the media has created that spectacle or not is irrelevant to me. The fact remains she lacks the discipline to minimize the risk to others and her attitude about it all is the icing on the cake. Bad enough to do one thing, but then act cheeky about it? I don't have a positive thing to say about her and the others.

At this point, arguing over "zero infections proves/ disproves the methods in place" is silly. We simply don't know what's worked and what hasn't. The lack of new infections could be the disease, the protocols in place, or simply dumb luck. Believe me, I'm glad a major outbreak hasn't occurred in the US, but we're kidding ourselves if we know why; that will take some time and honest evaluation.

I do have to put on my Admin hat for a second:

I know you don't like anything Obama does but...

We obviously have different political views and I'm not here to defend Obama so lets just put that aside.

C'mon, Scott, you can't inject something into the argument and then call for its removal. You make some good points, whether I agree or not doesn't matter, but then you pull the above. I doubt I was the only one to hear a needle skip on vinyl with your last post.

 

[racing_kitty]

Reading the online article from the NBC News network website (that's a fairly credible website for this argument, doncha think?? /sarc), I was stricken by this quote:

Hickox said Friday night that she found LePage’s comments “interesting.” She said she would adhere to the system of monitoring her health and wouldn’t do anything to “create more fear” in the community. “With direct active monitoring we can catch cases and still keep the public safe. I don’t think it needs to come down to trust,” she said.

Dumb ass broad, it HAS COME DOWN TO TRUST! Who's doing the direct monitoring? If it's anyone other than herself, then it's a sign that SHE ISN'T TRUSTED! Just like that one dipshit "Look At Me I'm a God" physician that kept tooling around NYC after the first two symptoms of ebola had presented itself (fatigue and fever). I guess you could say that sum'bitch blew it for her, so why not get her buddies all over his ass for ruining it for strong, independent womyn everywhere???

Onset of those symptoms is sudden. That's coming directly from the CDC. Like I asked earlier, how does she know that she won't suddenly present a fever while she's standing in the middle of the grocery store. What's her plan for if/when that happens? Is she going to do the responsible thing and put down her groceries, walk directly out to her car and take herself to the hospital? Or is she going to carry on with her shopping, put her now-contagious hands on the card reader at the check-out line, risking contamination of everyone that comes through that line, and worry about it when she gets home? After all, in this hypothetical situation she did become symptomatic in public, and that means she's contagious.

Or how contagious is she? What's that? You don't know?? Because nobody's really actually been selfless enough to allow themselves to be TRULY quarantined and monitored for the sake of research in a controlled environment? Because everyone's too busy bitching about how this is impacting their rights, and nobody's giving two fucks in a bucket for real science when the opportunity presents itself????? Because this could NEVER happen to them????? For someone who's in a profession as selfless as the medical profession, I sure as hell see a whole fuck-ton of "me me me, motherfucker" going around.

The quarantine plan, as executed, was just as much of a failure as Ms Hickox's ploy for sympathy from the unwashed masses. But nobody has couched the issue in the right way to actually get people on board to want to do it. You know, for the greater good and all that fucking bullshit, right? As far as I'm concerned, I'm highly disappointed in her selfishness. And, apparently, so was the judge.

The judge in Maine gave her a gentle rebuke in his ruling.

“The court is fully aware that people are acting out of fear and that this fear is not entirely rational,” he wrote. “However, whether that fear is rational or not, it is present and it is real.

“Respondent’s actions at this point, as a health care professional, need to demonstrate her full understanding of human nature and the real fear that exist. She should guide herself accordingly.”

Hickox said she understood the sentiment.

“I’m a nurse and a public health worker,” she said. “I don’t want to make people uncomfortable.”

Sounds to me like hizzoner just told her to stop being an inconsiderate, selfish bitch, too.

 

[Marauder06]

pretty sure I have clip art for this...

 

[Marauder06]

ah yes, here it is:

 

[Scotth]

C'mon, Scott, you can't inject something into the argument and then call for its removal. You make some good points, whether I agree or not doesn't matter, but then you pull the above. I doubt I was the only one to hear a needle skip on vinyl with your last post.

I made my comment that you cited. Centermass responded to that comment in another post.

Then I said in a third post, "We obviously have different political views and I'm not here to defend Obama so lets just put that aside."

I fail to see what is wrong with that exchange? I didn't cut anyone off and I didn't try to sneak in some kind of back handed derogatory comment before trying to end something.

I was trying to refocus our interaction on the subject at hand.

 

[AWP]

I made my comment that you cited. Centermass responded to that comment in another post.

Then I said in a third post, "We obviously have different political views and I'm not here to defend Obama so lets just put that aside."

I fail to see what is wrong with that exchange? I didn't cut anyone off and I didn't try to sneak in some kind of back handed derogatory comment before trying to end something.

I was trying to refocus our interaction on the subject at hand.

Kind of a procedural thing. You opened the door, he walked through it, then you didn't want it mentioned. From my POV it kind of undermined your argument a little because people will see the quotes and remember those, not the argument. I'm directing traffic, not setting you up for the hammer.

 

[medicchick]

On a completely shallow note, her eyebrows freak me the hell out.

 

[AWP]

On a completely shallow note, her eyebrows freak me the hell out.

She reminds me of the blonde from MadTV, Nicole Sullivan.