Fatalities & many injured after two explosions in Manchester Arena at the end of Ariana Grande show

[Ooh-Rah]

Hmmm....this is just breaking, but stay tuned:

Concertgoers killed after explosions at Manchester Arena | Daily Mail Online

Ariana Grande Concert Ends in Emergency Evacuation After Explosions Reported

 

[ThunderHorse]

Like wtf bombs an Ariana Grande concert. Geeze. Hope the Met gets after the perps.

 

[RackMaster]

19 dead and 50 injured so far. The blast was outside of the box office.

Deaths at Ariana Grande gig as police treat blast as possible terror attack

 

[Ooh-Rah]

19 dead and 50 injured so far. The blast was outside of the box office.

Deaths at Ariana Grande gig as police treat blast as possible terror attack

Jesus.

I mentioned the Netflix series Fauda, in the TV thread. That these types of things do not happen more often is always a genuine surprise to me.

 

[Kraut783]

Damn.....rest in peace to the victims.

 

[Grunt]

Like wtf bombs an Ariana Grande concert. Geeze. Hope the Met gets after the perps.

Cowards who can't seem to fight like men and target innocent victims who are mostly kids and young people. They can't and won't be reasoned with. People need to understand that those types will only be stopped by physical intervention.

Rest In Peace to the fallen and prayers out for the injured!

 

[CDG]

RIP to those killed. I won't be surprised at all if this is another ISIS lone wolf, or possibly a small independent cell pledging ISIS allegiance.

 

[Gunz]

The UK's been on a Level 4 terror alert lately, meaning an attack is highly probable. And yet somebody still managed to plant a bomb at an incredibly inviting soft-target mass-casualty high-profile opportunity. How does this happen?

 

[SpitfireV]

Because you can't stop everything.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

This one just seems more fucked upmthsn average. They targeted young girls. That is who goes to these concerts.

 

[Kraut783]

Because you can't stop everything.

It's the new world....nothing will be the same for at least the rest of my life....probably my daughters life too.

 

[Il Duce]

Because you can't stop everything.

I'm guessing those alerts are as useful as the DHS' initial color codes were. So, I'm at purple so I'm looking out - but now I've moved to yellow so I'm at a cat-like state of alertness? Red means I karate-chop any motherfucker that comes within striking distance?

I think those alerts are law enforcement's version of the Army TRiPS program. Spend a shit load of money on something useless so you can't be accused of not 'doing something' if an incident happens. A free society is vulnerable to this sort of thing - it sucks, but it's better than the alternative.

 

[Kraut783]

yeah, it just a response for the sheep, "look we are doing something" but the govt knows you can't stop everything and as you said, a free society is vulnerable.

 

[racing_kitty]

Nobody's going to say something about a possible terror attack if they're afraid of getting arrested for being a racist bigot.

 

[Marine0311]

Rest in Peace to the victims.

Kill all the enemies.

 

[SpitfireV]

Nobody's going to say something about a possible terror attack if they're afraid of getting arrested for being a racist bigot.

I think the demographic is less likely to have people that it would even occur to.

 

[Gunz]

Because you can't stop everything.

No you can't but crowd events are prime targets. Thousands in a confined space, families, kids, media presence, lots of terror potential, a lot of bang for the buck. And UK cops and MI5 have been running down leads and kicking in doors the past few weeks so it's not like they've been asleep with their heads on their desks.

 

[Diamondback 2/2]

RIP to the dead, Hope the wounded heal quickly.

 

[SpitfireV]

No you can't but crowd events are prime targets. Thousands in a confined space, families, kids, media presence, lots of terror potential, a lot of bang for the buck. And UK cops and MI5 have been running down leads and kicking in doors the past few weeks so it's not like they've been asleep with their heads on their desks.

Not untrue but it seems to me the person came in *after* the concert and detonated in the foyer. How do you guard against that? It's almost as difficult to stop as a car attack.

 

[Gunz]

Not untrue but it seems to me the person came in *after* the concert and detonated in the foyer. How do you guard against that? It's almost as difficult to stop as a car attack.

When the attacker is determined to die, granted, very difficult.

A great deal of money is going to have to be spent to ramp up crowd management and security at these type of events, barriers, crowd disbursement channels or pens, security checkpoints, surveillance cams etc...but still there's never a guarantee.

While this event can't compare in scope to the New Year's Eve celebration in NY's Times Square, the security and crowd management procedures at that event are, IMHO, second-to-none and quite worthy of study. (As they should be in a city that lost 3,000+ on 9/11).

Here's a long but very interesting article from Popular Mechanics:

How does the world's largest police department balance the security of the spontaneous masses with the freedoms that make us who we are? The counterterrorism cops of the NYPD take us deep inside their extraordinary operation.

How the NYPD Secures Times Square on New Year's Eve