Integrated LBE and Full Body Harness?

[amlove21]

OK- we are going to call an all stop, real quick.

Heruamarth , visit the ROCO Rescue equipment site. Items of note would be the ISH Harness (molle compatible modular belt/harness meant for civilian rescue and confined space.) Poke around there, I guarantee they have everything you need. These guys do a majority of our confined space and tech rescue.

To the point, does anybody know a good "thing" that integrates a full body harness and minimal LBE capability?

Its on the ROCO site.

There was some custom rigs made up back when x SF med rode a Velociraptor onto the field at Gettysburg that integrated an LBE with a STABO rig.

LOL, however, English is his second language, he didn't get the troll. And Yates is 2nd grade equip, if you ask me. Seen a lot of it fail.

Come to think of it, I'm amazed that any SAR organization would have you purchase/use your own kit. .

You would be shocked. OSHA is an American thing, my friend. Some of the countries' SAR programs are- interesting.

Guys, thanks for all replies for starters.
Thanks for warning, of course I will not use any piece of kit that I'm not trained on.

Say it again, with me...

I reckon a regular harness can survive a year being used in a helicopter. Does anybody know any CSAR guys? They usually use hoist capable helos, do they work with their harness all the time, or don when needed? What d'ya think?

No, no, no no no no NONONNONONONNNOOOOO. You will be in/out/in/out of a helo, sitting on the harness, which it was never intended to do. The wear from the floor, the stress on the harness, the fuel, saltwater, rock, etc. degrades the harness pretty quickly. A year of light use hiking is not the same as a bunch of helo flights. And if you're on the helo, you have a harness available, sometimes not on. I have a modular one that I can attach the leg straps to the cobra-buckled belt so I dont have to wear the leg straps the whole time. Know where I got it? The ROCO site.

In a reorganisation effort, we, technical/mountain rescue unit are getting some light rescue equipment, jaws of life, etc. some EMTs and paramedics are joining us, and four helos will be positioned on our base. I'm not sure about details, but from what I'm heard, they are planned to be bad weather capable, FLIR and winch equipped, twin engine, medium utility helicopters. Ministry of Health have been operating EC-145 and AW109's for some time, but we have some of ex-army aviation pilots and techs, and I heard they are pushing for "Sikorsky Aircraft", to my knowledge, it can be either S-70 or S-76, but I'm not sure.

 

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I have a modular one that I can attach the leg straps to the cobra-buckled belt so I dont have to wear the leg straps the whole time.

Man, that is the kind of thing I was looking for, thanks a lot.
Is it okay to use a chest harness always on and attach leg straps to it when needed, in the kind of setting I'm decribed?

What is bugging you?

English is his second language, he didn't get the troll.

I did get it, didn't wanted to roll along. :-"

 

[Ranger Psych]

Amlove, I was seriously hoping you or one of the other PJ's would pipe in.... since this is your bread and butter territory, basically.

Heruamarth:

I'd say with how to rig that gear, EMPLOY it as the manufacturer says you should.. as far as what's worn to accomplish X task... I don't think there'd be any issues with just wearing X parts and having Y part(s) on hand for when you need them other than comfort... but don't try to do something it's not designed to do, or use less portions than it's designed to use for a specific task.

I'd venture to say you should look into the Hurst E-draulics for the heavy "hydraulics", they're lighter and more maneuverable than normal hydraulic tools, even with carrying spare batteries. Especially if you can get on-scene via hoist/rappell/whatever, then have extras just "speedballed" in a duffle bag with your extra gear you don't need to hump from your insertion point/LZ... ie, chainsaws to clear the LZ if they need to put down/you need them for access, or other heavy tools.

 

[amlove21]

Amlove, I was seriously hoping you or one of the other PJ's would pipe in.... since this is your bread and butter territory, basically.
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sorry, it took me a while to get here. You could always tag me, or any of the other J's, if you think there is something for us to engage on. Ranger Psych

Man, that is the kind of thing I was looking for, thanks a lot.
Is it okay to use a chest harness always on and attach leg straps to it when needed, in the kind of setting I'm decribed?

I am not a big chest harness guy. I like having a sit harness, because I have had the need to go completely upside down, sideways, and a bunch of different positions that I couldn't do if I had a chest harness on. Some situations call for a chest harness, but more situations call for no chest harness. Have it available, use as needed.

What is bugging you?

That's a really, really robust CSAR capability. For it to be in the "planning stages" and the "rumor/I heard that..." stage means you guys are a solid 5 years away (guessing) of actually employing that capability.

Just makes me wonder if you couldn't be spending your time doing something more useful- like trying to get your Paramedic, flight nurse, or other course to be a more valuable member of that future team. Just my two cents.