Iraq and ISIS Discussion

[DA SWO]

Canada's new PM is ending the RCAF's mission in Iraq and Syria. Canada to end airstrikes in Syria and Iraq, new prime minister Trudeau says Apparently the SOF teams will stay, but still. Why would this shit head try to reduce our efforts to fight ISIS? Fucking dick.

Thought about this a little more.
Because he is a Trudeau is accurate, but I don't think the US effort is anything to brag about.
Why have planes boring holes in the sky if you are not serious about killing terrorists.
You guys are fucked royally after he imports all those "refugees" and then acts amazed at the mayhem they create.

 

[Gunz]

Canada's new PM is ending the RCAF's mission in Iraq and Syria. Canada to end airstrikes in Syria and Iraq, new prime minister Trudeau says Apparently the SOF teams will stay, but still. Why would this shit head try to reduce our efforts to fight ISIS? Fucking dick.

Because he is a Trudeau.

For some strange and unconscionable reason, the international outrage and the overwhelming combined military might of the civilized world that should have responded to the barbarity and obscenity that is ISIL has not and will not appear. With all due respect to the brave people who are responding and doing what they can, the biggest crime here is the timidity of a number of governments, their reluctance to take firm action and their shameless lack of balls. And you know it must be pretty fucking bad when Angelina Jolie is the only celebrity publicly expressing outrage.

I've been shaking my head wondering just what the fuck has to happen to motivate concerted, effective and massive international action against these fucking sadistic animals? When is Good versus Evil not the best reason to fight? You don't have to make shit up or devise a publicity campaign to stir support for military action; you don't have to go to the UN with satellite photos; the atrocities are there, plain for everyone to see, plastered all over the internet and social media.

Canadians at least can take some measure of pride that it was one of their own, Romeo Dallaire, who did his utmost to stop the Rwandan Genocide in spite of a similar lack of support and indifference on the part of the international community.

 

[Marauder06]

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I've been shaking my head wondering just what the fuck has to happen to motivate concerted, effective and massive international action against these fucking sadistic animals? When is Good versus Evil not the best reason to fight? You don't have to make shit up or devise a publicity campaign to stir support for military action; you don't have to go to the UN with satellite photos; the atrocities are there, plain for everyone to see, plastered all over the internet and social media.

The Western world has been free riding under the American security umbrella for far too long. We're tired of people demanding "someone" (i.e. the US) do "something" (i.e. go in on the ground), and then complaining about the way we do it. There are plenty of things in the world that are a MUCH bigger strategic threat to the US than ISIS. Right now, containment is a better course of action than eradication.

Getting involved in other peoples' civil wars has damaged our military and contributed enormously to the bankruptcy of our country. ISIS is the world's problem, but the only people really trying to do anything meaningful about it is the US.

Oh, and Russia.

 

[Dienekes]

You guys are fucked royally after he imports all those "refugees" and then acts amazed at the mayhem they create.

If/When that happens, would it then be time to change our security position on the Canadian border? I would say yes, but look at how great we handle border security policy with respect to Mexico. :wall:

 

[Ooh-Rah]

One US soldier killed in Iraq during rescue of more than 70 ISIS hostages -

I like these stories a whole lot better when there are no US casualties...

One US soldier killed in Iraq during rescue of more than 70 ISIS hostages

One U.S. Army Special Operator was killed in a rescue mission that freed as many as 70 ISIS hostages in Iraq, defense officials confirmed Thursday. It marked the first time a U.S. service member was killed in action during the anti-ISIS ground fight in Iraq.

A senior U.S. defense official said the service member was shot in a gunfight. The Pentagon said he died after receiving medical care, and offered "sincere condolences" to his family.

The Arab hostages were freed from an ISIS prison in northern Iraq near Hawijah. "People were chained to walls," one well-placed military source told Fox News.

"A mass atrocity was averted," a senior U.S. defense source added. According to the Pentagon, rescuers "deliberately planned" the operation, and moved in when it was apparent that ISIS hostage takers were planning to kill the hostages.

The senior defense official said the U.S. carried out airstrikes before and after the operation, destroying the prison afterwards.

 

[Grunt]

Rest In Peace, Warrior and thank you for your service!

 

[Gunz]

...There are plenty of things in the world that are a MUCH bigger strategic threat to the US than ISIS. Right now, containment is a better course of action than eradication...

My logical and practical sides are in total agreement with you, sir...but my guts want me to nape the fuck out of those syphilitic bastards.

 

[Florida173]

There are plenty of things in the world that are a MUCH bigger strategic threat to the US than ISIS. Right now, containment is a better course of action than eradication.

No such thing as containment at this point. They've already established more affiliates than AQ core and ISIL is more a non-state actor with state like capabilities.

 

[AWP]

Filed under "Second and Third Order Effects":

IRAQ: The exodus of academics has lowered educational standards

The Iraq Index, compiled by the Brookings Institution in Washington, released on 21 December 2006, estimated that up to 40 percent of Iraq's professionals have fled the country since 2003, with doctors and the pharmacists topping the list.

This isn't a new problem in history as intellectuals are almost always targeted. They like other citizens flee and some never return. It is worth pointing out only because we in the West talk about building democratic governments and blah, blah, blah, but without educated citizens what's left? How do you build on something with a poor educational standard? Look at Afghanistan, most of her leaders are expats. Southeast Asia is only beginning to recover following the bloodshed of the 60's and 70's. Best case, we're looking at over a decade before Iraq becomes something other than a garbage dump of humanity and those conditions allow for the rise of extremist groups like ISIS. Without an intellectual class what leaders are left? The mullahs.

Iraq will be a dumpster fire for years, ISIS or no ISIS.

 

[TH15]

The President has authorized a contingent of ~50 SOF personnel to Syria:

A U.S. official says that the White House will announce that Obama has authorized somewhere around 50 special operations forces to go into Syria to work with the rebel group known as the Syrian Arab Coalition. These forces will work along the Syrian border and not on the front lines with these rebel groups. They will provide training, assistance and advising just as US troops are doing in Iraq.

They will not be in combat, they will work with the Syrian Arab Coalition to facilitate airstrikes, but they are not forward air controllers. They will be at the group’s headquarters speeding up coordination of potential airstrikes.

Obama to Send Troops to Syria

 

[Brill]

Isn't Syria a sovereign nation? I get that Assad doesn't mind us kicking the shit out of ISIL in SY but putting foreign troops INSIDE his country without an invitation...isn't that what Putin did in Ukraine?

 

[Quant]

Isn't Syria a sovereign nation? I get that Assad doesn't mind us kicking the shit out of ISIL in SY but putting foreign troops INSIDE his country without an invitation...isn't that what Putin did in Ukraine?

Wouldn't the difference here be intent? Russia intended to conquer Ukraine with the placement of troops there. Is the U.S. really planning an overthrow of the Syrian government with these troops in Syria?

 

[DA SWO]

Wouldn't the difference here be intent? Russia intended to conquer Ukraine with the placement of troops there. Is the U.S. really planning an overthrow of the Syrian government with these troops in Syria?

Ahh, no.

It's an act of war.

 

[Brill]

Wouldn't the difference here be intent? Russia intended to conquer Ukraine with the placement of troops there. Is the U.S. really planning an overthrow of the Syrian government with these troops in Syria?

Current policy IS regime change in Syria. Same as Putin's in Ukie-Stan.

 

[Quant]

Ahh, no.

It's an act of war.

Is Syria claiming that this is an act of war? (Seriously wondering, I couldn't find anything on a quick search) I mean deploying/fighting in Daesh controlled territory is very different than say deploying with the rebels fighting directly against Assad. The whole situation over there is getting more complicated by the hour.

Current policy IS regime change in Syria. Same as Putin's in Ukie-Stan.

Yes, but that is irrelevant from this deployment to "advise" local forces battling Daesh right? Unless I'm missing some more information.

 

[AWP]

Is Syria claiming that this is an act of war? (Seriously wondering, I couldn't find anything on a quick search) I mean deploying/fighting in Daesh controlled territory is very different than say deploying with the rebels fighting directly against Assad. The whole situation over there is getting more complicated by the hour.

Yes, but that is irrelevant from this deployment to "advise" local forces battling Daesh right? Unless I'm missing some more information.

The rebels in Syria are fighting Daesh, Assad, or whoever they have to. It is a civil war. You can't guarantee that forces fighting Daesh today aren't battling the gov't tomorrow. With so many factions you also have "vacuum" issues. Kill ISIS here or there, but who occupies that town or region when they leave? Ultimately on some level we're supporting regime change in Syria, intentionally or accidentally and boots on the ground doesn't help our "neutral" status.

 

[DA SWO]

Is Syria claiming that this is an act of war? (Seriously wondering, I couldn't find anything on a quick search) I mean deploying/fighting in Daesh controlled territory is very different than say deploying with the rebels fighting directly against Assad. The whole situation over there is getting more complicated by the hour.



Yes, but that is irrelevant from this deployment to "advise" local forces battling Daesh right? Unless I'm missing some more information.

You can not (under most circumstances) put Military Forces into another country without that country's approval.
We have injected ourselves into a civil war, and are not fighting with government troops.
Assad could easily claim we have "invaded".

 

[Brill]

A new IS front?

Alexei Malashenko, an expert on Islam with the Carnegie Endowment's Moscow office, said that officials in the Caucasus had an interest in encouraging the militants to move out of the region.

"A drop in the Islamists' activity and the reduction in the number of casualties in the North Caucasus in 2014-2015 were the result of militants leaving for the Middle East," Malashenko wrote in a recent article.

Officials said they were keeping close watch on those who return. Dagestan authorities have tried to register all followers of Salafism, a radical branch of Sunni Islam, taking their fingerprints and DNA samples.

Sharaputdin Arslanbekov, a police official in Makhachkala in charge of fighting extremism, said the official number of Dagestan residents who have left for Syria stands at 419, but reliable intelligence indicates that the actual figure is around 700, a significant share of an estimated 2,500 Russian citizens with IS.

Islamic State on recruitment spree in Russia's North Caucasus _ raising fears of instability

 

[AWP]

ISIS is kind of the premiere or "cause du jour" for extremists. Their source of manpower is almost unlimited.

 

[CDG]

ISIS claims to have brought down a jet: ISIS claims responsibility for Russian jet crash that killed 224

I don't buy it, but it's all part of their propaganda machine and many extremists will believe it. Yet another recruitment boost likely.