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I just noticed this....:wall:
F you iss-elll, we were in the middle of Corn Hole....:-"
F you iss-elll, we were in the middle of Corn Hole....:-"
Iraq and ISIS Discussion
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Libya.
Yes it's one of the few good sources coming out of there.
Florida173
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مقاتل أمريكي في صفوف ‹YPG› يفقد حياته بمعارك منبج - آرانيوز
Article says a US fighter died in Manbij working with the YPG.
Article says a US fighter died in Manbij working with the YPG.
I just noticed this....:wall:
F you iss-elll, we were in the middle of Corn Hole....:-"
Either that or mumbly peg between fire missions.
Thought this was fascinating from an intelligence perspective. Also, some interesting insights into the propaganda, force protection, OPSEC, and light infantry/reconnaissance training in the Islamic State.
How a Secretive Branch of ISIS Built a Global Network of Killers
How a Secretive Branch of ISIS Built a Global Network of Killers
Have you read the piece of ISIS' intelligence apparatus that Der Spiegel put out last year? It's long, but absolutely fascinating: The Terror Strategist: Secret Files Reveal the Structure of Islamic State - SPIEGEL ONLINE
Yes, I thought it was really fascinating as well. To me, the Bakr manifesto is like the Islamist version of Mao's Guerilla handbook. Very interesting to see the confluence of global, tech-savvy, Jihadism meet the practical internal security/repression skills of the Saddam dictatorship. Match that with the hard-won experience of fighting a technically advanced enemy in the US, along with an inept partner in the Iraq security forces, and you've got the mix for a very powerful insurgent force with more significant staying power than we normally see out of revolutionary regimes.
They're really not that fascinating, more like a bunch of sissy ass early twenties dipshits that tweet a lot...
There's a method to their dipshitery and it's pretty effective within the confines of their goals. One of the most significant mistakes I see time and time again is when we dismiss and/or fail to understand our adversaries.
Intel always makes a big deal out of these guys, or any VEO really (especially Islamic).
I'm not afraid of the boogeyman. If he exists, he's an idiot for waiting under the bed - not sophisticated.
I'm not afraid of the boogeyman. If he exists, he's an idiot for waiting under the bed - not sophisticated.
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I'd say Operations does (make a big deal) because, other than "close with and destroy", we don't have a doctrine to defeat hajji with an AK and belief that death brings paradise.
We (2) report, they (3) decide.
Kinda like Trump minus the 20's part, and we see how effective his propaganda machine is even in a country as "intellectual and informed" as the US. I would assume that a lot of the young people they reach with their message are similar to Trump's typical crowd of younger voters that are 1. Tired of what they deem the bullshit going on in their region and 2. Fairly nationalistic with respect to Islam and the region.
Just because an entity has the ability to recruit, does not make them sophisticated or any more fascinating. The pool is a bunch of half retarded, western-phobic, dipshits who have an identity crises and seek a sense of belonging to something less shitty than their lives currently are.
ISIS is not a formidable foe. They are neither impressive, intelligent, or fascinating. They are only performing at the rate one could expect maybe a small-town community to live up to following an apocalypse or collapse of government. They are easily stated as an oppressive group without fear of reprisal from authority, acting solely against a defenseless population.
The only formidable foe involved is our policy and the morals which we are socially required to abide by. Without those catalysts the words ISIS, Daesh, or ISIL wouldn't even come up on a Google word search let alone a region of Iraq. I agree we need our morals but at no point will I find fascination in them. To a small child, a great big room is quite fascinating - to the child's parents it is just the living room.
ISIS is not a formidable foe. They are neither impressive, intelligent, or fascinating. They are only performing at the rate one could expect maybe a small-town community to live up to following an apocalypse or collapse of government. They are easily stated as an oppressive group without fear of reprisal from authority, acting solely against a defenseless population.
The only formidable foe involved is our policy and the morals which we are socially required to abide by. Without those catalysts the words ISIS, Daesh, or ISIL wouldn't even come up on a Google word search let alone a region of Iraq. I agree we need our morals but at no point will I find fascination in them. To a small child, a great big room is quite fascinating - to the child's parents it is just the living room.
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Florida173
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Self-governing and coordinating across four AORs. Don't discount the additional JRTN foundation that helped facilitate control. Formidable or not, they are resilient enough to our current efforts.
And they've shown organizational skill, multi-media savvy and a criminal aptitude for funding their operations. They may be attracting half-retarded, western-phobic dipshits but there is some competence at their core.
ISIS has secured and governed more territory than the US ever did in Iraq, have inspired and facilitated more attacks in the west than Al Queda ever did, and have managed to do it without a single public nation-state ally with hostile powers on all borders. Be fascinated or not by whatever interests you but dismissing their effectiveness and danger is foolish in anyone involved in national security or intelligence.
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If we are classifying them as a state, then no, they are not.
As a terrorist group, they are the most formidable the world has ever seen, hands down, with a doubt.
Pump the brakes - I didn't say they should be dismissed. I denounced any respect for them or any tone of interest in them as an organization because in my eyes - they're a fraud.
Yeah they hold territory, but it's because the Kurds don't have the logistics to occupy that much expanded territory and the Iraqi government is in shambles. Are we REALLY going to doubt how much territory the United States could take and govern in Iraq though? The Pesh (Kurdish Peshmerga) have kicked the shit out of them more than a few times. The only thing fucking the Pesh up is their lack of supplies/basic logistics.
FACT: Pesh aren’t as tough as people think they are. They’re actually not far off from ANA skills wise but at least they’re interested in fighting. I’m confident I could do more damage after schooling up a bunch of Marine Supply Admins and throwing THEM in a squad.
Al-Qaeda was aimed at driving western influence out of middle eastern countries, whereas ISIS is (despite popular belief) relatively aimless and just seeks attention in any way it can get. Sure their org has always come with a mission statement but their actions exceed far beyond just establishing a caliphate in the heart of the middle east.
Taliban… those are some resilient little bitches. We threw everything we had at them and they kept coming back like Joe Peschi in a Scorsese film. When it comes to ISIS though – they barely even get “just the tip” of the spear and I only wish you could have seen what I saw.
ISIS is better compared to a fraudulent company, doesn’t matter how you look at it; those in charge are enjoying profit and getting an ego rush as an absolute authority. Those not in charge are probably down for the cause but another interesting FACT: They are dying.
A lot.
It really is that simple. ISIS is bullshit pump-and-dump, Ponzi-scheme terrorist organization. Not fascinating, intimidating, or worth half-the-hype they have regardless of how many idiots they attract from around the world with Twitter or whatever.
I cannot wait for the US to fully drop the hammer on these clowns, after about a six month campaign you’d probably see stacks of Daesh bodies burning at the borders on the horizon.
I’d smoke a cigarette to that view.
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