Iraq and ISIS Discussion

[Grunt]

... Never have I seen wholesale ignorance of a culture in such stark relief before.

One of the worst parts about it is that it is "willful" ignorance. Many don't spend any time looking into the matter themselves. They simply take what is spoonfed them and rapidly digest it as fact.

 

[DA SWO]

I disagree with the hanging, they should cut her head off with a chainsaw and drop her into a pig trough for final disposition.
That might get ISIL's attention.
Then let ISIL know that is the fate of anymore members caught (then run a few cross-border raids to pick up additional pig-feed material).

 

[LimaOscarSierraTango]

ISIS isn't going to give two fucks if Jordan executes their guys. I like Jordan's thinking though.

Good point. There are reports of them killing their own guys. Jordan is doing what a lot of other countries need to be doing, sacking up. I hope they follow though if the threat doesn't work.

 

[racing_kitty]

If I were Jordan, I'd go with a scorched earth follow-through. Culturally speaking, not impossible. Highly, highly improbable, though, as that would require spinning up an army to invade what are supposed to be sovereign nations. However, they could mount a most bloodthirsty defense of the kingdom of Jordan that could possibly give IS pause.

Jordan isn't anywhere near as concerned with politically correct optics as any of the western nations. POTUS might weigh in with a statement, most likely disagreeing with that course of action, but his words don't have a lot of weight over in that corner of the world as it is. Should Jordan enter into combat with IS, and they were to fight against the rising caliphate within the bounds of Abdullah's kingdom, I'd be willing to bet the farm that not the first prisoner would survive capture on the battlefield, and nary the first indictment of "war crimes" would be levied against Jordan.

After all, in the politically-correct hierarchy, both of them occupy the same level of protected status in the western perception of "protected class."

 

[Brill]

Reading the comments on that story (like a fool idiot), I was appalled at how many people I saw who actually think this was a terrible idea on Jordan's part. "Eeeewww, no, don't do it! Don't be like ISIS! Execution is always wrong." Never have I seen wholesale ignorance of a culture in such stark relief before.

This pretty much sums up that line of thinking:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/01/27/the-text-of-general-flynns-speech/

"Above and beyond these pressing challenges, the advent of global internet connectivity and mobile devices is now providing billions of people — including our adversaries — with the ability to learn, plan, communicate, and fight with a precision, speed, and security formerly only enjoyed by states.

Furthermore, virtually any ideology — no matter how frightening or outrageous — is now able to proliferate around the world at the stroke of a key.

There are many sincere people in our government who, frankly, are paralyzed by this complexity and so actively choose or passively accept a defensive posture — reasoning that passivity is less likely to provoke our enemies and that specific threats can simply be anticipated, discovered, countered, or recovered from.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Well damn...the killed the 2nd Japanese reporter.
http://t.co/aKMlgge9ec

No word on the Jordanian pilot

 

[Kraut783]

News is saying ISIS has claimed to have beheaded the 2nd Japanese hostage.....RIP, your hell is over.


http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/is...beheading-japanese-hostage-kenji-goto-n295201

*heh...good timing Ooh-Rah

 

[Ooh-Rah]

For his sake...I hope that pilot is long dead.

 

[Marine0311]

FFS. RIP to them both.

Bomb these guys to the depths of HELL.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

In other news...the White House "strongly condemned ISIS" ... That'll show em'

 

[racing_kitty]

I was just about to post this, myself. Fair winds to the Japanese hostage.

I notice that they haven't released anything about the Jordanian pilot they're holding. Perhaps it's because they are weighing the odds that Abdullah is serious, and just exactly what kind of losses are they willing to sustain in a protracted battle with Jordan? Yes, that's speculation on my part.

While I hope that this awakens the long dormant inner samurai in the Japanese, thereby unleashing the kind of sadistic fury not seen since the 1930's in the Pacific rim, I know that won't happen. There will just be another sternly worded letter or two directed at self-professed barbarians who value pig shit above our words.

 

[Grunt]

Realistically, those sacks of pus aren't interested in negotiating with anyone for anything. They simply enjoy being bullies and doing whatever it is they want to do with impunity. Up to this point, they are doing just that.

Like I have said before, they simply need to be eradicated. They don't understand anything else...nor do they want to.

 

[Kraut783]

Realistically, those sacks of puss aren't interested in negotiating with anyone for anything. They simply enjoy being bullies and doing whatever it is they want to do with impunity.

Yep, and using the media for headlines and propaganda. As we have said before here, if ISIS says they are going to kill a hostage, they are going to do.....but like to play the media for the drama and headlines.

 

[racing_kitty]

Ladies and gentlemen, Japan is pissed. PM Shinzo Abe has publicly called for revenge; a first for post-WWII pacifist Japan.

The crisis also comes at a crucial moment in Japan’s modern history. Since taking office two years ago, Mr. Abe, a strong-willed conservative, has tried to push his nation into shedding the passive brand of pacifism that it repentantly embraced after defeat in World War II, and playing a more active role in world events. Analysts and former diplomats say the stark savagery of the killings will be an important test of how ready Japan really is to step onto the global stage.

The question, analysts and diplomats say, is whether the trauma of the killings will drain Japan’s will to seek a higher international profile, or stiffen its resolve

The quote above is the $64 question. I'd like to see the sleeping samurai awakened, and Japan wreak the kind of havoc that would make Nanking look like Christmas at Disney World. But I know that's rather far fetched. Still, this is something given how Japan has conducted itself over the post-war years.

 

[Marauder06]

Cutting captives' heads off? Well, that's certainly something Japan has experience with.

...but that was a long time ago, and it doesn't lessen the hideousness of what happened to these two citizens. I hope they do take some type of meaningful action against ISIS but I doubt they will. At the end of the day this is something that gets people fired up for a week or so, that is useful politically, but the realities, risks, and expense of becoming meaningful engaged will, in my opinion, forestall anything kinetic.

The one exception I could see is if they somehow managed to send some of their SDF fighters to participate in the air campaign, which would not only be a meaningful political gesture but would also be pretty useful militarily.

 

[RackMaster]

I want to see Japan airlift Godzilla and Mothra into Iraq. Take that Daesh Bitches!

 

[pardus]

Cutting captives' heads off? Well, that's certainly something Japan has experience with.

...but that was a long time ago, and it doesn't lessen the hideousness of what happened to these two citizens. I hope they do take some type of meaningful action against ISIS but I doubt they will. At the end of the day this is something that gets people fired up for a week or so, that is useful politically, but the realities, risks, and expense of becoming meaningful engaged will, in my opinion, forestall anything kinetic.

The one exception I could see is if they somehow managed to send some of their SDF fighters to participate in the air campaign, which would not only be a meaningful political gesture but would also be pretty useful militarily.

Yes there is a certain irony to this...






This is interesting...

Japan's pacifist constitution: After 70 years, nation changes the rules so it can go to war

 

[AWP]

My grandfathers were Seabees in WWII and the Japanese list of atrocities, worse still they refuse to accept them, is long and "distinguished." Regardless, I'd honestly like nothing more than to hear they were sending some aircraft to execute a 9-line or two. AEW or tankers are good, but Climb Mount Niitaka for this one. Even 6 or 8 F-2's would be great.

 

[pardus]

My grandfathers were Seabees in WWII and the Japanese list of atrocities, worse still they refuse to accept them, is long and "distinguished." Regardless, I'd honestly like nothing more than to hear they were sending some aircraft to execute a 9-line or two. AEW or tankers are good, but Climb Mount Niitaka for this one. Even 6 or 8 F-2's would be great.

That is what pisses me off so much about it. They were fucking savages and now they are covering it up.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Pilot is dead.

They fucking burned him.

They. Fucking. Burned. Him.

http://abcn.ws/1BZ8EBb