Iraq and ISIS Discussion

Iraq's MoD announced that Da'ish is collapsing in Dujail, Sayid Gharib, Ishaqi and Kasarat towns (southern Salahuddin province).

Failure isn't fatal, success isn't final...
W. S. Churchill.
 
DA SWO said:
A lot to agree with, not striking obvious targets is a big mistake, same mistakes made by the Clinton Administration
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You can't win that one. Damned either way. Israel is up against it constantly. They took the finger off the trigger multiple times on sheikh Yassin because of civvies, his kids, etc. When they finally did it, there was collateral, and a massive outcry.

Either you play to win, or you don't. On a human note, it's awful, but you can only avoid so much if winning is the agenda.
 
Have to agree there. In bald figures Kosovo in 1999 had 250 missions per day, Iraq currently is about 10 per day. Leaving any other issue aside its not a lot. Perhaps the ROE has to change?
 
CQB said:
Have to agree there. In bald figures Kosovo in 1999 had 250 missions per day, Iraq currently is about 10 per day. Leaving any other issue aside its not a lot. Perhaps the ROE has to change?
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The airstrikes are just a token to say "we are doing something". The fact that Ramadi fell is testimony to that.
 
CQB said:
Have to agree there. In bald figures Kosovo in 1999 had 250 missions per day, Iraq currently is about 10 per day. Leaving any other issue aside its not a lot. Perhaps the ROE has to change?
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We're putting up more sorties than that, certainly more bombers, but not dropping....so something's rotten in Denmark. I will say that when we are releasing weapons they are effective. You are right though, we can do more.
 
Freefalling said:
We're putting up more sorties than that, certainly more bombers, but not dropping....so something's rotten in Denmark. I will say that when we are releasing weapons they are effective. You are right though, we can do more.
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I know our pilots don't drop until a target is determined to have minimal collateral. I'm sure the use of our guys on the ground to paint targets plays a role as well.
 
Why would any candidate commit to defining the parameters on the war on ISIS, if they didn't have to? I sure wouldn't.
 
The one factor that both sides of the house need is the will to follow it through to the bitter end, if in fact the ROEs' change. IMO that is going to be extraordinarily difficult whoever is in the drivers seat. Whoever does so will have to take a lot of people with him or her on the journey.
 

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