Iraq is a failed state.
http://www.havokjournal.com/world/isis-takes-ramadi-dam-did-we-lose-the-war/
http://www.havokjournal.com/world/isis-takes-ramadi-dam-did-we-lose-the-war/
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@Marauder06 , I'll see your Failed State and raise you a What They Want.
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
Long but interesting read...especially about the "requirements".
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
Long but interesting read...especially about the "requirements".
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RIP....I have a feeling he won't be the last.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/is...ld-killed-fighting-against-isis-syria-n373066
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/is...ld-killed-fighting-against-isis-syria-n373066
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Good for him, but this is only important if it spurs the USA to get more involved in this particular conflict.
It won't.
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Agreed. The media/public think a single life is important. It is not in the grant scheme of things.
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The only reason I found this significant is because he is the first to die as a fighter and not a journalist. And no it won't cause the USA to do anything. I think it's telling that you don't see this on the front of news like you saw Sotloff or Foley......nobody really cares.
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Yep...you can train them in the best way you know how. You can supply them with the best equipment and technology that you possess.
But, you can't put into them a "fight" that doesn't exist whether out of "fear" or simply "I don't want to."
Two of the worst qualities in a "fighter"...unhealthy fear and laziness.
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I was telling someone this just last night.
The Generals are still claiming the Iraqi's are capable and willing if they have good trainers.
Funny, the captains (now Maj/LTC) doing the training were candid in their assessment that the Iraqis would run at first fight (or was it light
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Funny, the captains (now Maj/LTC) doing the training were candid in their assessment that the Iraqis would run at first fight (or was it light
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The Generals are still claiming the Iraqi's are capable and willing if they have good trainers.
Funny, the captains (now Maj/LTC) doing the training were candid in their assessment that the Iraqis would run at first fight (or was it light
Sure about that, Odierno just said the exact opposite... http://news.yahoo.com/us-army-chief-futile-send-150-000-soldiers-180626655.html
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We don't want to mindlessly throw ourselves into the gauntlet, but at some point you have to look at all the death and destruction that could happen while you are "deciding to go the political route." Jihadi Jafar and his RPG don't care what kind of "political reforms" you are working on. On a side note isn't it counter-productive to throw the weight on the Iraqis(who have proven that they can't and won't shoulder said weight) and not explain what you could do to assist the process of government reform?
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THE problem is the Commander in Chief has not issued an overall strategy so the combatant commander has ZERO direction other than apparently maintain "our" man in Baghdad. Obama's legacy is on the line.
This is turning into a cluster.
This is turning into a cluster.
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Ha! I'd say this has been a cluster for some time now...
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@poison , I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on whether Israelis would support intervention to assist/save the Druze in Syria.
http://www.i24news.tv/en/opinion/74...he-druze-in-syria-create-an-independent-state
http://www.i24news.tv/en/opinion/74...he-druze-in-syria-create-an-independent-state
I was in Israel a little over a week ago and we saw a short battle kick off just inside the Lebanon side of the border. It was at a distance and I have no idea who was fighting, but somebody got PUMMELED with arty and heavy MG. I suspect someone Israel didn't like got a little too close to the border. This was near a Druze enclave in the Golan.
Intervention by who? As much as I wish they would, there's no way they can put boots on the ground in Syria, at this point.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-weighs-safe-zone-for-syrias-embattled-druze/
I'm sure Israel is heavily involved covert action in Syria. But 'saving' anyone requires more,it will be interesting to see what they do. In the past, South Lebanon for example, the South Lebanon army helped Israel, but when Israel pulled out they got left high and dry, and many got screwed for being collaborators. In my grunt mind, it's unacceptable, and I wish it was different. I suspect the same can happen in Syria, though the presence of so many Druze in the Golan, who's families are under the gun within eyesight, changes things. The south Lebanese army didn't have half their families in Israel.
I'm sure Israel is heavily involved covert action in Syria. But 'saving' anyone requires more,it will be interesting to see what they do. In the past, South Lebanon for example, the South Lebanon army helped Israel, but when Israel pulled out they got left high and dry, and many got screwed for being collaborators. In my grunt mind, it's unacceptable, and I wish it was different. I suspect the same can happen in Syria, though the presence of so many Druze in the Golan, who's families are under the gun within eyesight, changes things. The south Lebanese army didn't have half their families in Israel.
There's an interesting read on the Druze situation on debka, fwiw. Basically it says the druze have 3 options: Iran will help them set up a small army in return for not helping the assad opposition; Israel will arm them; or they'll all flee to Israel and Jordan. It also said the spectre of Druze IDF soldiers simply walking across the border, in large quantities, is a looming issue, if Israel doesn't do the right thing. If Israel allows Iran to fill in the void, it'll be a colossal failure.
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