Iraq and ISIS Discussion

Um, yes, we DO look the other way depending on alliance. Chechens are fighting for ISIL and ANF, not YPG.

I won't dispute that, I can't, but there's no difference between us doing it and "the other guys." We look like jackasses to the world when we allow it but complain about the other guys
 
Not much for details or sourcing.. curious to what kind of "official" would share this information

A few days ago CNN said "unnamed US Intelligence sources" claimed that had satellite imagery/ indications the plane exploded in midair. *shrug
 
Not much for details or sourcing.. curious to what kind of "official" would share this information

The same "officials" CNN uses any time they use their Magic 8 Ba.. I mean "unnamed sources".

There are times when I wonder if their "intelligence community sources" are the janitors... :rolleyes:
 
Vlad is already working on op orders 1 through 25 for when and if that scenario is ever proven!
No, they are written and awaiting execution.
I wouldn't be surprised if he was already moving intel and other assets into place (didn't the PM of Israel recently visit?).
Bombs, bullets, knives, poison; you name it and it will get employed.

To think that asshat McCain is trying to start a war with Russia over Syria.
 
I won't dispute that, I can't, but there's no difference between us doing it and "the other guys." We look like jackasses to the world when we allow it but complain about the other guys

I'm not following you. Are you saying that an American volunteering to fight with ISIL is the same as volunteering to fight with YPG?
 
I'm not following you. Are you saying that an American volunteering to fight with ISIL is the same as volunteering to fight with YPG?

That wasn't where I was going, but since you asked...no.

My point was mainly geared towards US/ Allied citizens fighting for an "allied" cause is the same as some non-allied nation (Chechnya or China or whoever) going to fight for ISIS or even Assad. They don't belong there and we're hypocrites if we complain about a Krygyz or Uzbek or whoever fighting for a non-US/ allied cause. I think if your nation is currently involved in fighting ISIS and you've joined that side then you're a traitor.

I don't think I'm articulating my thoughts very well.
 
My point was mainly geared towards US/ Allied citizens fighting for an "allied" cause is the same as some non-allied nation (Chechnya or China or whoever) going to fight for ISIS or even Assad. They don't belong there and we're hypocrites if we complain about a Krygyz or Uzbek or whoever fighting for a non-US/ allied cause. I think if your nation is currently involved in fighting ISIS and you've joined that side then you're a traitor.

Looking at the individual's motivation: I would argue that it COULD be the same.

If a Chechen, Uzbek, Cherkess, Kist, etc travels to fight with ISIL because they believe that Assad is a dick and (insert failed Shia leader in Iraq here) are oppressing their Sunni brothers, then, in my opinion, they too are trying to liberate their brethren from tyranny.

I hope they die for their "country".
 
That wasn't where I was going, but since you asked...no.

My point was mainly geared towards US/ Allied citizens fighting for an "allied" cause is the same as some non-allied nation (Chechnya or China or whoever) going to fight for ISIS or even Assad. They don't belong there and we're hypocrites if we complain about a Krygyz or Uzbek or whoever fighting for a non-US/ allied cause. I think if your nation is currently involved in fighting ISIS and you've joined that side then you're a traitor.

I don't think I'm articulating my thoughts very well.

This is the most confusing thing I have read all week?:-/ I feel like you are stating the obvious but complicating it, no?
 
A bomb would be easy to arrange in sharm. Sinai is a breeding ground and magnet for plenty of talent, and Egypt gets their assets handed to them fairly frequently there.

Bomb detection is ridiculously stupid: run all shoes through X-rays and just ask who packed the bags or whether they were with the passenger the entire time.

No?
 
Bomb detection is ridiculously stupid: run all shoes through X-rays and just ask who packed the bags or whether they were with the passenger the entire time.

No?
Meh, Jihadi #1 gives assembled package (with explicit directions) to Jihadi #2 who is a baggage handler at the airport.
Jihadi #2 either places bomb on plane or gives to Jihadi #3 who places the bomb in the baggage hold (they appear to have placed it mid-aircraft).

TSA and enhanced screening of passengers is a joke.
TSA talking about extra carry-on restrictions shows how clueless they actually are.
 
Meh, Jihadi #1 gives assembled package (with explicit directions) to Jihadi #2 who is a baggage handler at the airport.
Jihadi #2 either places bomb on plane or gives to Jihadi #3 who places the bomb in the baggage hold (they appear to have placed it mid-aircraft).

But TSA has been fondling my junk and taking happy snaps via the body scanners to prevent this!
 
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