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Good footage of a Russian jet being shot at.
Good footage of a Russian jet being shot at.
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Looks like a MIG 21, if so, I highly doubt it's Russian.
Actually, if you look closely it's two different aircraft #1 looks like a Sukhoi and #2 looks like a MiG 21.
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Concur. The bulk of the footage shown is a MIG 21. Early on, the first aircraft is not a 21.
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First acft is MiG-23. 
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Been watching this thread for a long time, wanted to throw out some thoughts. I wonder if the cost to kill ratio may be rather high for our side. The coalition has killed thousands of jihadists through its air campaign, but there still seems to be no end of shitheads in sight. This is going to sound wrong but instead of just targeting the fighters maybe we should also target their families as well. Going further, targeting support networks and infrastructure that makes life possible for those loyal to the caliphate would be ideal as well.
If they cannot replace their pool of fighters in the future then their numbers and supporters should drop. It would also incentivize the families of would be jihadists to not let their kids become fuckwits. Also by destroying agricultural networks, water supplies, and power facilities the coalition would remove the legitimacy that the caliphate has bestowed upon itself. If the caliphate can't provide goods and services then I doubt that the people there will live under it. Sure people are going to suffer, but in my opinion most of the "decent" people left or were killed off already. Fuck it, I figure let father drought and father famine do the work for us.
If they cannot replace their pool of fighters in the future then their numbers and supporters should drop. It would also incentivize the families of would be jihadists to not let their kids become fuckwits. Also by destroying agricultural networks, water supplies, and power facilities the coalition would remove the legitimacy that the caliphate has bestowed upon itself. If the caliphate can't provide goods and services then I doubt that the people there will live under it. Sure people are going to suffer, but in my opinion most of the "decent" people left or were killed off already. Fuck it, I figure let father drought and father famine do the work for us.
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File under: When libs accidentally tell you how they really think...
' DFLer abruptly quits race after saying 'ISIS isn't necessarily evil'
' DFLer abruptly quits race after saying 'ISIS isn't necessarily evil'
They just need some hugs and our understanding.
A short video about ISIS that I found interesting.
That's a really good break down on ISIS, except for the bit he left out about wanting to turn the whole world into an Islamic caliphate. Which is also an important part of the ISIS equation, that seems to always be ignored. Good vid, worth watching.
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A good job for ISIS would be replacing ballistic gelatin.
The funny thing is I think the jobs/ climate change angle has merit but not in the way people take it. Climate change drives drought and I think we understand jobs. I consider those two issues on the periphery which need to be addressed IOT stem the flow of recruits. We need to kill early and kill often, but that won't be enough. At some point other conditions need to change. We can't discard other causes and solutions, but we can't treat their sum as greater than simple, old fashioned killing.
2nd sentence; not always, changing climates can cause an excess of rain, longer and shorter growing season, etc. Look at the climate during the great Irish immigration to America (aka potato famine). I don't recall those immigrants trying to slaughter their way to power.
I understand and people will react differently. I'm not excusing their behavior at all, but we can't be blind to the fact that bad circumstances can produce bad people. We cannot kill our way out of this, so we need to look at additional or supporting carrots to go with a 2000 lb. stick.
Why can't we kill our way out of this?
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There are many places in the world where drought exists, yet there is no major terrorist threat emanating from those areas. There are billions of poor people in the world, yet in most regions where poverty is prevalent, there is little international terrorist activity. Climate and economics may contribute to the conditions that lead to terrorism, but the one most obvious contributor is Islamic terrorism is the one no one wants to talk about: the cultural influences that drive people to those groups and to commit those acts, namely, the religion of Islam.
Hey there is an idea, have a "buy flight time" drone game. You buy so much flight time, and kill terrorist from the comfort of your living room. Only billed for munitions if you miss.
Hell you're accomplishing several things; 1) killing terrorist, 2) building an economy based on interactive gaming, 3) paying for fuel and maintaining of aircraft, 4) ensuring accuracy and accountability of weapons used, and most of all 5) giving all the whack jobs something to do that is productive for society as a whole.
"ISIS HUNTER"
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