Iraq and ISIS Discussion

The Russian presence is dictating our participation in the air war...the air war we started and are the driving force behind. Lots of dumb and WTF in the article below, most of it infuriating. We just look weak.

New Russian Air Defenses in Syria Keep U.S. Grounded

There is a new crisis for the international effort to destroy the Islamic State, created by the Kremlin. The U.S. has stopped flying manned air-support missions for rebels in a key part of northern Syria due to Russia’s expansion of air defense systems there, and the Barack Obama administration is scrambling to figure out what to do about it.
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Freefalling said:
The Russian presence is dictating our participation in the air war...the air war we started and are the driving force behind. Lots of dumb and WTF in the article below, most of it infuriating. We just look weak.

New Russian Air Defenses in Syria Keep U.S. Grounded
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Wow.

These heightened tensions between the U.S. and Russia on the ground run counter to the public outreach Kerry has been pursuing as part of his effort to kick-start a peace process between the Syrian regime and the opposition. In remarks at the Kremlin Tuesday, Kerry said he was “grateful for President Putin” and looked forward to cooperating with Russia on the fight against the Islamic State. Kerry will meet with Russian leaders again Friday in New York.

Kerry also said the U.S. is not pursuing “regime change” in Syria,comments that were seen by many as another step away from the long-held U.S. call for Assad to step down. The latest U.S.-Russia talks didn’t focus on Assad’s status, Kerry said, adding that he was working to establish a political process that would allow Syrians to choose their own leadership.
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Not Iraq or IS, but here's more news that the MSM loves to eat up. I mean, just look at the title the chose to go with...

Libya militia chases away US troops

US forces flown to Libya to support government troops had to leave after landing because of demands from a local militia group, US officials say. It follows reports that 20 US special forces troops, equipped with advanced weaponry, landed on Monday at an airbase in western Libya.

Libya militia chases away US troops - BBC News
 
Canadian SOF and Kurds involved in firefight with IS. Apparently the largest firefight Canadians in Iraq have been involved in. Funny how when the Conservatives were in power the Liberals said it was a combat mission if CANSOF even saw a rounf fired in anger. But now that the Liberals are in power they say this firefight dosen't mean it's a combat mission. They still want to remove Canadian CAS from the area. Politicians still can't seem to understand that when the military is deployed to a war zone they should be prepared for contact. Canadian special forces help fight off 'significant' ISIL attack in Iraq
 
Ocoka One said:
Dudes...Hillary is about to reveal her master plan for the destruction of ISIS. :whatever:
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I like how she claims that Trump is being used to recruit ISIL fighters. She has no idea or will not admit how Islam REQUIRES followers to move to the caliphate per the caliph's instructions. It has nothing to do with old school Al-Qaida recruitment.

Pray to God and study the true Khalifa of Islam. Only then was I, and will you, be able to come to the realization of our greater humanity and overcome any notion of happiness being achieved through terrorism, cruelty, or warfare within Islam.

Do not join ISIS. Do not join such barbarians where you wake up with hatred of humanity and go to sleep wishing death on others. Instead, pray to God, study Prophet Muhammad’s wisdom and the core of Islam, and join the Caliphate of Islam Ahmadiyya. While once angry and frustrated, I now wake up with “love for all” and go to sleep with “hatred for none.” This is the true Islamic Caliphate to unite the Ummah.
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http://www.faithstreet.com/onfaith/...uslim-should-join-the-islamic-caliphate/36368

Muslim reported that Ibn Umar said the Prophet ordered every Muslim to obey their leader unless commanded to do something bad, in which case they must neither obey nor listen. Muslim also reported that Ibn Malik said the best leader is the one where mutual love exists between him and the people, and the worst leader generates mutual hate. However, even in the latter case, fighting the Khalifa is prohibited unless he enters kufr by stopping prayers or zakat for example. Ibn As-Samit reported that the Prophet said to obey him in all things and situations, and not to remove the leaders unless they openly practice kufr. Abu Daud reports from Ibn Ujrah that the Prophet entered a masjid, and said there will come leaders after him who disobey the Qur'an and Allah. Those who help them are not of the Muslims, but if someone opposes them, he or she is of the Prophet's people. Courtesy of www.usc.edu
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Islamic-World.net:Khalifah site for Muslims who love Allah and Jihad.
 
Air power alone is never enough. And yet the proponants of stand-alone air campaigns never seem to learn from the past. How many bombs did we drop on Japanese-held islands in the Pacific and yet we still had to engage with rifles and grenades. Goring thought he could bring England to its knees through bombing alone. LBJ believed he could bring Ho Chi Minh to the negotiating table by bombing the shit out of North Vietnam. In WW2 we fire-bombed Japanese cities and dropped two atomic bombs and they still would've fought to the death if the Emperor hadn't commanded them to surrender.

ISIL isn't standing in one big clusterfuck waiting on a JDAM. They're all over the fucking place and you can't tell an ISIL dude from anybody else from the air unless they've got an RPG on their shoulder. WTF are we bombing? Buildings? Objects? Grid locations where nobody is?
 
The air strikes are gap fillers to give the appearance that we are taking large leaps and bounds to aid the plight against ISIS without really doing much.

But, I figure I am preaching to the choir.
 
lindy said:
I think Obama is whining to his Generals that air war defeated Miloshevich and Qaddafi so why not Baghdadi?
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Probably. And without any thought that in the Bosnian War NATO air assets actually had real targets and positions to engage instead of an enemy that disperses itself among the population. But hey, Clinton's a military genius so if he can be one, why not Obama?
 
Ocoka One said:
Probably. And without any thought that in the Bosnian War NATO air assets actually had real targets and positions to engage instead of an enemy that disperses itself among the population. But hey, Clinton's a military genius so if he can be one, why not Obama?
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Yeah, but you forget Mrs. Clinton has actual combat experience, what with taking sniper fire and all, so that gives them a leg up.
 

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