Iraq and ISIS Discussion

[Etype]

I think the real ISIL/ISIS debate needs to be over this nonsensical Da'esh word.

For the record, Iraqis pronounce is 'dash,' like '... -ing through the snow.' It's an acronym that means ISIL in Arabic.

It really bothers me because it reminds me of Obama's POK-e-ston. Yeah, because our president is British now.

 

[Florida173]

I think the real ISIL/ISIS debate needs to be over this nonsensical Da'esh word.

For the record, Iraqis pronounce is 'dash,' like '... -ing through the snow.' It's an acronym that means ISIL in Arabic.

It really bothers me because it reminds me of Obama's POK-e-ston. Yeah, because our president is British now.

Pretty much the entire community calls it ISIL. The only people being forced to refer to it as da'esh is SOCCENT, and that's only really because of the by, with, and through policy. Because poorly pronounced it sounds like an insult of crap under your shoe.

I've always had issues with the acronym too. Arabs don't typically use acronyms and as the IS operates in regions in North Africa, Indonesia, Afghanistan, etc... The ISIL, or even Da'esh, becomes a misnomer.

 

[AWP]

Russians cluster bombing Aleppo.

 

[Gunz]

Russians cluster bombing Aleppo.

Cluster, schmuster, these are merely Russia's state-of-the-art precision-guided munitions.

And they can't help it if a few Kurds or suicidally-prone Western-backed
militias get in the way...

 

[TLDR20]

Russians cluster bombing Aleppo.

Holy shit. That took it up to 11.

 

[racing_kitty]

Mmmmmmm. That warms my cold, black heart.

 

[DA SWO]

Russians cluster bombing Aleppo.

Meh, stay indoors on the upper floors.

 

[Gunz]

Restrictive ROE ain't a part of that picture. The Russians have never grasped the concept of a "light footprint." In a kind of skewed way, their lack of concern for consequences is almost enviable...Judge advocate, what the hell is that?

 

[Ranger Psych]

Wars would be over a hell of a lot quicker, and more cleanly, if we actually could go whole fucking hog.

 

[AWP]

Restrictive ROE ain't a part of that picture. The Russians have never grasped the concept of a "light footprint." In a kind of skewed way, their lack of concern for consequences is almost enviable...Judge advocate, what the hell is that?

I had an officer who once worked in the AFCENT Strike Cell explain their process to me. Either the first second stop on the email chain went to the JAG and there were times where they didn't work in parallel with the other offices to generate the strike. The JAG and another office were the bottlenecks. He was pretty proud of their times, which I won't post here, but I was still "gobsmacked."

 

[Ranger Psych]

I really have to ask: WHY.

The people on the ground need to know what is/isn't a "legal" target.
The people in the air, should be able to see otherwise, even if the people on the ground can't.

If you can't tell by either of those two people that it's a valid target, then don't drop, it's that easy. By the way, if something that otherwise wouldn't be a valid target (Hospital, Mosque, etc) is BEING USED AS A FIGHTING POSITION AND YOU ARE TAKING FIRE..... level the motherfucker, legally.

I would LOVE to have someone articulate why JAG is even in a kill chain at all, and then turn around and go "ok, so if they're in the kill chain, then the entire force doesn't need law of land warfare/geneva training, as you've got a check and balance higher than the individual soldier enforcing it. YAY LESS MANDITORY TRAINING"

 

[Brill]

They should require JAGs filling that position to have a CAB/CAR and have been involved in direct close quarters combat.

I'm confident the bottleneck would be less "neck-like".

 

[Gunz]

... By the way, if something that otherwise wouldn't be a valid target (Hospital, Mosque, etc) is BEING USED AS A FIGHTING POSITION AND YOU ARE TAKING FIRE..... level the motherfucker, legally...

There it is

 

[Grunt]

They should require JAGs filling that position to have a CAB/CAR and have been involved in direct close quarters combat.

I'm confident the bottleneck would be less "neck-like".

Yep...put a rifle in their hands. Make them ruck from city to city and let them get shot at. Then, as they are being put in the sites of someone's rifle, let them make split-second decisions that will be second-guessed by a fellow JAG officer the following day. Feed them some of their own medicine for a while.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Just gonna leave this here: America Is Now Fighting A Proxy War With Itself In Syria

 

[Thearrowguy]

I think the real ISIL/ISIS debate needs to be over this nonsensical Da'esh word.

For the record, Iraqis pronounce is 'dash,' like '... -ing through the snow.' It's an acronym that means ISIL in Arabic.

It really bothers me because it reminds me of Obama's POK-e-ston. Yeah, because our president is British now.

I agree the way we pronounce Arabic words is kinda funny haboob. "Da'esh" is the MSA pronunciation because of the two vowels in the middle دإعش. while "Dash" is Iraqi because they emit the glottal stop on the letter.

 

[Florida173]

I agree the way we pronounce Arabic words is kinda funny haboob. "Da'esh" is the MSA pronunciation because of the two vowels in the middle دإعش. while "Dash" is Iraqi because they emit the glottal stop on the letter.

You are thinking about it wrong.. there wouldn't be any acronyms in MSA. so you can pronounce how ever you want. DAESH.. so dumb american comes in and pronounces like dash and the iraqis think it sounds like the stuff under your shoe or whatever.. The only people pushing the name is SOCCENT because of "by, with, and through." I've literally heard one guy pronounce it three or four different ways during one VTC. I'll stick with the community standard and refer to them appropriately.

 

[Etype]

I agree the way we pronounce Arabic words is kinda funny haboob. "Da'esh" is the MSA pronunciation because of the two vowels in the middle دإعش. while "Dash" is Iraqi because they emit the glottal stop on the letter.

An 'ain' doesn't make a stop sound or an e sound, it's just a throaty sound. An 'alif' w/hamza below or a 'yea' does, but they don't matter here.

Worrying about an MSA pronunciation is about as valid as arguing an Oxford English pronunciation.

 

[Gunz]

I pronounce it "shitheads."

 

[Diamondback 2/2]

I'm still trying to figure out doodeckie and allateasik, as told to those goat fuckers.