Iraq and ISIS Discussion

[RackMaster]

So based on this ceasefire...nothing will change: RAH

Nah, Russia now has the info to target groups on the ground.

 

[Gunz]

Nah, Russia now has the info to target groups on the ground.

Exactly. Thanks, Komrad Kerry, now we'll spend a relaxing few days delineating groups on the battlefield that we'll bomb the shit out of when this so-called cease fire is broken by any number of participants as it will inevitably be.

 

[Brill]

Kerry announces US-Russia deal on Syrian ceasefire - CNNPolitics.com



I see Russia got what it wanted. At least they have have a "W" out of all this....

I don't understand what our position is regarding the ceasefire. Syria and Russia should stop targeting the "moderate" Islamic forces?

 

[AWP]

The ceasefire's crap in my opinion. It isn't a true "ceasefire" in that we have to hope other parties will do as they are asked/ told by their state sponsor...where a sponsor exists. It does nothing for the larger war against ISIS, only the gaggle that is Syria. Good for Syria if it works. Maybe.

Russia's been after us to share intel, particularly after the shootdown of their Su-24 in and around Turkey. They know we've blanketed the sky with our ISR platforms (because they intercept them and herd them out of areas they don't want us viewing) and they'd like some of that sweet, sweet intel goodness. This is a good PR move for us because it has minimal impact on our whatever-it-is policy in Syria. For us the war is ISIS and if we do something to topple Assad (sorry, that's not our end state. My bad...) so much the better. The Russians used ISIS as an excuse to dive in and prop up Assad and Putin's too smart to give up a strategic position for a PR stunt. I think the Russians are the real winners here, not just the intel aspect, and everyone else loses. Hey, it gave us a great sound bite or two and probably doesn't involve filling a plane with foreign currency to give to a terrorist country. Win, win....

 

[Brill]

@Freefalling , Hillary has already been way ahead of the intel "sharing" with the Russians.

 

[AWP]

@Freefalling , Hillary has already been way ahead of the intel "sharing" with the Russians.

Clapping .gifs are overused this week so I'll give you Borat. May Patch Tuesday and Firewall Exemption Requests shine upon you.

 

[Brill]

Clapping .gifs are overused this week so I'll give you Borat. May Patch Tuesday and Firewall Exemption Requests shine upon you.

Don't make me probe your ports.

 

[AWP]

Don't make me probe your ports.

"Explicit deny."

 

[Brill]

Huh? Did the Democrat nominee just accuse the opponent of providing aide and support to a terrorist organization?

Trump's rhetoric, Clinton said, has only fueled the motivations driving ISIS.
"What unfortunately Donald Trump has done is made our job harder, and given a lot of aid and comfort to ISIS operatives and even ISIS officials who want to make this some sort of clash of civilization -- a religious war," Clinton said. "It's not, and it can't become that."

Hillary Clinton on 9/11: The closest thing to 'hell' I've ever seen - CNNPolitics.com

 

[Brill]

What the hell s going on in DC? Carter vs Kerry in the Octagon!

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/14/world/middleeast/syria-john-kerry.html?_r=0

 

[TLDR20]

Huh? Did the Democrat nominee just accuse the opponent of providing aide and support to a terrorist organization?

Trump's rhetoric, Clinton said, has only fueled the motivations driving ISIS.
"What unfortunately Donald Trump has done is made our job harder, and given a lot of aid and comfort to ISIS operatives and even ISIS officials who want to make this some sort of clash of civilization -- a religious war," Clinton said. "It's not, and it can't become that."

Hillary Clinton on 9/11: The closest thing to 'hell' I've ever seen - CNNPolitics.com

No.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Anyone able to read the whole thing?

US Special Forces sabotage White House policy gone disastrously wrong with covert ops in Syria | SOFREP

 

[CQB]

Life after Da'esh.

http://www.economist.com/node/21707208/print

 

[Brill]

Anytime Russia can make the US look feckless, the Soviets are projecting power.

A ferocious assault on Aleppo suggests the U.S. may be wrong on Syria

 

[AWP]

@lindy I moved your post in case you're wondering.

 

[Gunz]

...Syrian and Russian warplanes launched a ferocious assault against rebel-held Aleppo on Friday, burying any hopes that a U.S.-backed cease-fire could be salvaged and calling into question whether the deal would ever have worked...."


Oops, looks like the Bear just deliniated some targets with typical restraint. And made Kerry look like their schoolyard bitch. Again.

 

[AWP]

Wait, the Russians and their proxies negotiating a cease fire only to break it within days? I never saw that one coming...

 

[ThunderHorse]

No, it was held to by the Russians and Syrians, it was seven day monday to monday event. As soon as it was over the SAA and Russians went back after it. The Turkish front (Al Rai) is now in disarray after our guys with that Turkish Tank detachment withdrew because of a beef with the FSA...well the FSA then got their ass whooped by some ISIS blokes.

 

[Marauder06]

If we keep piecemealing our war in Iraq we're going to lose. Again.

US manpower, airpower, and political power have been enough to contain ISIS and prevent the loss of more key terrain, but it hasn’t been enough to reverse strategic losses. The message to troops in Iraq appears to be, “don’t lose… but we don’t really want you to win, either.” That’s no way to fight a war.

 

[Brill]

Shit's getting real up in Ninawa.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-mosul-exclusive-idUSKBN12E0Z0