Is the Eotech hate actually justified?

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OP, stop chasing the latest widget or super ninja technique you read about in some magazine.
If you can't find the "dot" the instant the gun is in front of your face (EoTech, Aimpoint, Truglo, iron sights in reasonable alignment, it doesn't matter) the issue is you need more practice. Stop blinking when you pull the trigger, and if you really want to buy something that will help you get better, buy a shot timer.
 
OP, stop chasing the latest widget or super ninja technique you read about in some magazine.
If you can't find the "dot" the instant the gun is in front of your face (EoTech, Aimpoint, Truglo, iron sights in reasonable alignment, it doesn't matter) the issue is you need more practice. Stop blinking when you pull the trigger, and if you really want to buy something that will help you get better, buy a shot timer.


....or more ammo and a decent class.
 
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Man oh man, this thread had me chuckling pretty damn good.

I was one of the biggest supporters of Eotech for about a decade. Personally and professionally used them and recommend them. That started to change after my personal failed me in the middle of a carbine class I was teaching. A well respected member of this board was present when it happend. Then the dirty secrets came out. Bottom line Eotech put profits above the lives of military service members and law enforcement and that is simply unacceptable.

I no longer support, nor will I ever support Eotech and or recommend them for use in a professional manner.

ETA: I just read the "double tap" thread. WTF?
 
Yup. Clear the room? Hey sir, how about I just put a 114 through the window, or a 38 on delay fuse through the roof? Ok, cool. I'll let you know when we're weapons away so your guys can get the GoPros out.

"Was there a use of proportional force part of the ROE on this op.?

Seriously, was there? I was on this new app., Deployr..."
 
A near peer adversary has a similar level of training, equipment, and general military capability.

I know, I just appreciate the intellectual growth of the word "bad guy" or "enemy." I will also use it this fall for football.
 
I know, I just appreciate the intellectual growth of the word "bad guy" or "enemy." I will also use it this fall for football.
Enemies come in different flavors. We have been at war for the last 16 years but we haven't fought a near peer competitor since WWII.
 
OP, stop chasing the latest widget or super ninja technique you read about in some magazine.
If you can't find the "dot" the instant the gun is in front of your face (EoTech, Aimpoint, Truglo, iron sights in reasonable alignment, it doesn't matter) the issue is you need more practice. Stop blinking when you pull the trigger, and if you really want to buy something that will help you get better, buy a shot timer.

Fair enough, everything requires practice. I was just saying though it's easier to acquire Eotech's reticule then it is to acquire the Aimpoint's red dot.

In any case, my last two trips at the range did prove to me how important practice and "feel" is, since for the first time I stopped 'feeling' the recoil of my rifle (on a few occasions).... Everything sort of... 'clicked' and I was doing the motions without thinking about it.... I guess that same thing applies to optics as well.
 
This response was meant for the double tap thread but it got locked before I could respond to why you can't neglect the head shot. I figured I'd post it here since it seems that while the show may have canceled, the same cast of characters are appearing here in this thread.



There is a reason we shoot people in the face. A shooter may not be able to quickly eliminate a threat that is wearing body armor or hopped up on adrenaline or drugs. I've seen a guy get up and run after being hit in the abdomen with a 50 caliber raufoss round. Granted his kids still collected on his Taliban SGLI policy but it goes to show you that that a shot to the center of mass doesn't always stop your opponent. Even if that round is an explosive, incendiary, half inch wide miracle bullet filled with death magic.

This is the concept behind the failure to stop drill. I've also heard it called the Mozambique drill. The face may also be the only exposed target if your adversary is firing at you from behind cover.

We haven't had to deal with a lot of body armor equipped combatants in Iraq and Afghanistan. I've run into a few but it's far from common. Israel had a very different experience in the 2006 Lebanon war however. Hezbollah fighters were very well equipped with body armor, night vision devices, and modern communications systems. You can expect that near peer competitors will field well equipped and armored soldiers. If some clown doesn't want to go down, then feel free to put two in his chest and 28 to the face.

That's all true sir. Personally though, I just try to aim for the head on paper targets, because of the "aim small, miss small" concept. I switched to center mass on my last couple of trips to the range but once my accuracy improves further with rapid firing drills, I'll switch back to headshots. It's just harder to do and better for practice (and way more fun.)

p.s. I have heard that certain CT units do train for headshots at close ranges for all the reasons you have mentioned, plus the fact that when hostages are involved, and could be used as human shields, the only option might be to land a headshot on your first attempt. I have no idea if Delta/SAS/Devgru actually emphasize headshots or not in their regular training but I would suspect they do. I've heard rumours from a former British soldier that SAS trains exclusively for headshots at their kill house, but I took it with a huge grain of salt, because he wasn't actually SAS himself.
 
I have heard that certain CT units do train for headshots at close ranges for all the reasons you have mentioned, plus the fact that when hostages are involved, and could be used as human shields, the only option might be to land a headshot on your first attempt. I have no idea if Delta/SAS/Devgru actually emphasize headshots or not in their regular training but I would suspect they do. I've heard rumours from a former British soldier that SAS trains exclusively for headshots at their kill house, but I took it with a huge grain of salt, because he wasn't actually SAS himself.

Hate for this entire paragraph. Because your rumors and "he said/she said" add nothing and are a non-factor.
 
Hate for this entire paragraph. Because your rumors and "he said/she said" add nothing and are a non-factor.

Right... to be consistent though, you should also add "hate" to the hundred personal attack paragraphs on this thread because they all "add nothing and are a non-factor"

As long as the "hate" is coming from people who "belong here", it's all good. Right? lolz.
 
Well, when you respond with "I heard this/ that" you do sort of come across as a wannabe or an airsoft enthusiast. There are other websites and forums for this.
 
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