It's OK That You Didn't Go To War

Yes; it's ok that you didn't go to war.

It's also ok that you didn't go to BUDS
...or Ranger school
...or the SFQC
...or airborne school
...or that you weren't an 11B

Its OK that you weren't a Recon Marine,
...or a PJ
...or a fighter pilot
...or a Submarine Commander that didn't film porn on the boat while living under the sea

It's ok that you never made it past E4.
It's ok that you never pinned on a Star.
It's ok that your ETS or retirement award wasn't an LOM
...or a Meritorious Service Medal
...or an ARCOM

It's ok that you spent 4 years as a cook, or a mechanic, or a supply specialist, or a mail clerk in the lamest most obscure support unit in the most isolated obscure post in the USA.
An armed force cannot operate without EVERYONE pulling their weight.
...whatever that weight may be

Be proud of that shit - whatever you did - it was important - it helped move the machine along.
While you were going to basic training, most of your mother fucking peer group was going to the mall.

Of COURSE its ok that you didn't go to war...
...just don't fucking lie about it.
 
Yes; it's ok that you didn't go to war.

It's also ok that you didn't go to BUDS
...or Ranger school
...or the SFQC
...or airborne school
...or that you weren't an 11B

Its OK that you weren't a Recon Marine,
...or a PJ
...or a fighter pilot
...or a Submarine Commander that didn't film porn on the boat while living under the sea

It's ok that you never made it past E4.
It's ok that you never pinned on a Star.
It's ok that your ETS or retirement award wasn't an LOM
...or a Meritorious Service Medal
...or an ARCOM

It's ok that you spent 4 years as a cook, or a mechanic, or a supply specialist, or a mail clerk in the lamest most obscure support unit in the most isolated obscure post in the USA.
An armed force cannot operate without EVERYONE pulling their weight.
...whatever that weight may be

Be proud of that shit - whatever you did - it was important - it helped move the machine along.
While you were going to basic training, most of your mother fucking peer group was going to the mall.

Of COURSE its ok that you didn't go to war...
...just don't fucking lie about it.
umm... I think you said it better in like four paragraphs than I did in four heavily-nuanced pages.

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I know (well, knew, some have passed away) Vietnam-era vets who joined but weren't sent to Vietnam.

We had a whole generation on vets who retired with zero wars (1991-2001).

There are some things over which you have no control, and it is just as admirable that you served and did your duty and not go to war as it is that you did (go to war).
 
I know (well, knew, some have passed away) Vietnam-era vets who joined but weren't sent to Vietnam.

We had a whole generation on vets who retired with zero wars (1991-2001).

There are some things over which you have no control, and it is just as admirable that you served and did your duty and not go to war as it is that you did (go to war).
My father commissioned in the early '70s but Vietnam was winding down by then and he never got sent. Which was probably good, since he was Infantry and later SF so things would likely have been sporty for him if he had. So he was "Vietnam Era" but not a "Vietnam War" vet.

He later deployed to Panama and Desert Storm, so he got his chance eventually. If you're in a basic branch and are active duty and you stay in long enough, most of us eventually do.
 
I must be the minority here, but I think it is DEFINITELY NOT ok if you didn't go to war during GWOT.

My generation had over 20 years, no excuses.

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I understand that perspective. I think if you were in the GWOT and on active duty and stayed in for let's say 10 years, then yeah.

But I can think of a couple of legit reasons why someone didn't make it, especially if they only did one enlistment.
 
End of the day, it is kind of like back injuries and PTSD. Plenty of people can fake the former two, and plenty of people could avoid the war and hide behind "I really wanted to go, but the Army made me become a Drill Sergeant and then it sent me to Korea..." stories. Unless you know the people and circumstances, you won't know who is truly legit.

Some career fields don't have a lot of deployment opportunities.
Space Command/Force
Nuclear munitions, launch crews, etc.
That said, we all know NCO's who have hid in Drill Sergeant, recruiting, or ROTC assignments. NCO's who still get promoted to E-9.

Facts. The 455th AEW at Bagram had one slot for a space officer so I think it is safe to say the other wings throughout AFCENT had a similar requirement. Cool, slots exist, but now you have to time those rotational openings against who was available to deploy. No doubt plenty of space officers and missile crewdogs who were qualified and wanted to fill those limited slots just couldn't.
 
My AD time was pre-GWOT, my reserve time was during GWOT. The way the Navy deployed was pretty weird in that there were guys looking, begging, to go but for whatever reasons were denied. But to the Navy's credit they would deploy units, individual augments, 2-week all the way up to year-long, whatever, to get the right people to the right job.
 
Just for the record...
I'm willing to double down on saying "it's ok if you didnt go to war"
"Didn't go"
is completely passive. If you were in the Guard, or the Reserves, or simply left the operational force late in your career and ended up bounced around through a few staff jobs and then retired because you already "had your 20" and decided you'd had enough...
...bye
...thanks for your service

Avoiding a deployment, dodging ones responsibilities, evading a call to duty, choosing self interest over a sworn oath - those are all ACTIVE measures and they don't fit into the "it's ok if you didnt go to war" paradigm. If you just "miss out" on the war - well, so be it. If you dodge the draft, move to Canada, hide behind college attendance, tore up your draft card, burned your bra, turned on, tuned in, checked out, or just straight up try to claim that you didn't know that unit deployment schedule is about to send you into harms way - you didn't "Not go" to war -you dodged the war.

I know quite a few guys that were just heading into the school house when "the war" kicked off. These weren't rookies - these were seasoned dudes with 10 years or so of active duty service and they were fucking furious. They missed 3-4 years of deployments due to being in the school house. Now we're looking at 2005 with 13-14-15 years of service before some of these guys finally make it back to a group.
What happens then? Some of these dudes ended up on a BN or Group staff because they were "too senior" to get tossed right into an ODA that "only needed" a junior commo guy or a medic but NOT another senior E7 18F
...so what happens to them?

They wait - until the rotation schedule skirts around back to their unit. Then what happens?
FUCK
...they get put on an ODA that just got hit with some stupid fucking JCET to one of the 'stans or some ridiculous fucking trip to Africa or South America.

There were a few SF guys floating around all the way until the 2010 time frame before they finally got a deployment to Afghanistan - only to be on an ODA that was at Morehead teaching "Afghani Q-course" type bullshit.
Or sent up North to MEZ at a time when you could damn near walk around in a hawaiian shirt and baord shorts and not be in much danger - dudes that didn't get a CIB until damn near ten years into the war.
- THESE GUYS TRIED WITH ALL OF THEIR HEART TO GET INTO THE MIX

Now lets point that same bizarre timeline at a Reserve/Guard unit in a conventional unit that doesn't have seven MSG's per company going out on combat patrols - a unit that doesnt have over 50 NCO's conducting smallunit tactics with loaded guns.
It gets a lot easier to believe that someone simply "didnt go to war" when they only spent 28 months in a uniform before retiring after "24 years" of Guard Service.
...just like a math test in High School, I'm going to show my work here:

-Army National Guard members are required to attend one drill weekend each month (also known as Unit Training Assemblies) and one two-week annual training period each year (usually during the summer). Weekend drills are usually scheduled over a Saturday and Sunday each month, but can occasionally include reporting for duty on Friday night.
-Saturday/Sunday multiplied over 11 months = 22 days per year
-2 week annual training period = 14 days
Saturday/Sunday multiplied over 11 months + 2 week annual training period = 36 days per year
36 days per yer multiplied by a 24 year NG career = 864 actual days of service wearing boots and BDU's


So, yes - I'd give somebody a 'pass' that asked "is it ok if I didn't go to war" - until it became clear that they sucked on the NG teat - collecting their veterans day discounts at Applebee's, enjoying the 'thank you for your service' accolades, and using their "service" as a springboard to self enrichment - until called to serve in conflict where they then ACTIVELY avoided the deployment, intentionally dodged their responsibility, and deliberately evaded a call to duty, choosing self interest over a sworn oath.

For some added National Guard to Politician context:
Tulsi Gabbard is STILL in the National Guard...
...she deployed one time to Iraq waaaaay back in 2005 - WHILE SHE WAS A POLITICIAN
...she chose selfless service over running for reelection
...AFTER she finished her deployments- she went BACK into politics
...she continued to serve in the National Guard even after getting back into polyticks
...she even tried to run for fucking president of the United States of America while serving in the guard

Tim Walz on the other hand - did NONE of these things - he cannot say "I didn't go to war" because of a passive timeline that simply didn't line up with him deploying "to war"
Instead, Tim Walz ACTIVELY avoided his deployment, he intentionally dodged his responsibility, he deliberately evaded a call to duty, he SELFISHLY selected self interest over his sworn oath.
Tim Walz only escapes the mantle of "dereliction of duty" through semantics and the legally acceptable administrative process of "retirement"
...but he cannot escape his betrayal of the NCO Creed

Tim Walz is an embarrassment to any one that EARNED their chevrons; from Corporal all the way to CSM.
Tim Walz has brought discredit credit upon the NCO Corps, the military service and the country.
...he does not fit into the "it's ok if you didn't go to war" paradigm.
...he transcends it - he mocks it through his willingness to spread misinformation about his service and his intentions.

Yet, millions of Americans are willing to put this turd within a heartbeat of the presidency.


Its no wonder I've got a fucking ulcer and high blood pressure.
 
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My AD time was pre-GWOT, my reserve time was during GWOT. The way the Navy deployed was pretty weird in that there were guys looking, begging, to go but for whatever reasons were denied. But to the Navy's credit they would deploy units, individual augments, 2-week all the way up to year-long, whatever, to get the right people to the right job.
This was the case for me twice over, and sadly even with the IA program, timing and placement still kept several of us from deploying.
 
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