Jettie
Unverified
Thank you for explaining this more succinctly, PoliceMedic.
K-9 Tourniquets
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kaja
Verified Military
Sorry for stealing this topic, but can somebody head me towards some materials on canine TCCC? I was able to find some civvie guidelines from friend K9 handler, but they don't count with GSW or blast injuries...
policemedic
Verified SWAT
I just realized I lost track of this thread.
Regarding tourniquets, best word I've gotten from multiple expert sources is that nothing works very well due to the canine anatomy. Field expedient mods such as have been mentioned do increase efficiency but nobody has taken anything to market.
Regarding tourniquets, best word I've gotten from multiple expert sources is that nothing works very well due to the canine anatomy. Field expedient mods such as have been mentioned do increase efficiency but nobody has taken anything to market.
I'd be terribly wrong if I said they were just like smaller versions of people the same as if I were talking about peds. I can't remember K9 specific drug doses and fluid admin guidelines off the top of my head (why I carry around cheat cards), but as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong, stop gaps for K9's are the same as they are for people with a few tweaks of course. TQ'ing and a few other K9 specific measures have been discussed above, but as far as covering the ABC's, SMARCH-V, or insert acronym here it's a matter of doing the norm while working around K9 anatomy (tailoring tubes for airway issues etc).
policemedic
Verified SWAT
Drug dosing and fluid boluses for canines are often weight based, and vets that aren't used to human medicine and metric system will often quote dose ranges in mg/lb. Cheat sheets are the way to go, and are really great if you know the dog you'll be treating as opposed to some random K9 or MWD because you can precalc the doses.
C-TCCC guidelines are no different than the human ones, keeping in mind that the dog is a living, breathing weapons system with an independent targeting mechanism. Return fire may equal let the dog stay in the fight if it can until it can be safely recalled and treated. As Squidward said, the principles don't change; the anatomy does. Therapy for a tension pneumo in a dog is not different than a human. However, the landmarks are different so understanding canine anatomy and how to treat a weapons system with teeth when it's hurt and scared are paramount.
C-TCCC guidelines are no different than the human ones, keeping in mind that the dog is a living, breathing weapons system with an independent targeting mechanism. Return fire may equal let the dog stay in the fight if it can until it can be safely recalled and treated. As Squidward said, the principles don't change; the anatomy does. Therapy for a tension pneumo in a dog is not different than a human. However, the landmarks are different so understanding canine anatomy and how to treat a weapons system with teeth when it's hurt and scared are paramount.
kaja
Verified Military
Thanks
Are there any study materials on canine pathology/ anatomy? Like proper placement of decompression needle or surgical cric? Also does these change a lot in breeds mostly used as MWD? I don't work around dogs too often, and quite sincerely we don't have best relations, but I can see the need to be able to treat someone's doggy friend.
Regarding Tq- how would esmarch-type tourniquets (like SWAT) work? From my experience they (when applied properly) are least painful and well tolerated compared to windlass-type.
BTW: Will pulse ox work on dog, and where should I place it?
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Are there any study materials on canine pathology/ anatomy? Like proper placement of decompression needle or surgical cric? Also does these change a lot in breeds mostly used as MWD? I don't work around dogs too often, and quite sincerely we don't have best relations, but I can see the need to be able to treat someone's doggy friend.
Regarding Tq- how would esmarch-type tourniquets (like SWAT) work? From my experience they (when applied properly) are least painful and well tolerated compared to windlass-type.
BTW: Will pulse ox work on dog, and where should I place it?
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bublik
Verified Military
You can stick a pulse ox on a tongue but that only works in a sedated dog.
USAISR has a clinical practice guideline (CPG) specifically for the care of MWDs. You can access CPGs here http://www.usaisr.amedd.army.mil/clinical_practice_guidelines.html or I can send it to you. A friend of mine did a fair amount of canine transport during his last deployment and I'm headed to his spot so I needed to brush up...the only anesthesia I've done on animals was in a mouse lab and I hope that's not something I do again, not a rodent fan :whatever:
USAISR has a clinical practice guideline (CPG) specifically for the care of MWDs. You can access CPGs here http://www.usaisr.amedd.army.mil/clinical_practice_guidelines.html or I can send it to you. A friend of mine did a fair amount of canine transport during his last deployment and I'm headed to his spot so I needed to brush up...the only anesthesia I've done on animals was in a mouse lab and I hope that's not something I do again, not a rodent fan :whatever:
policemedic
Verified SWAT
An SpO2 sensor will also read through their lip, but getting them leave it alone long enough to get a reading can be a trick. Watch for clinical signs of hypoxia; I've always found that more useful than a pulse ox no matter the patient's species.
I had an opportunity to use a Penrose drain and a hemostat as a field expedient K9 TQ tonight for a laceration to the medial surface of the proximal left front pastern. Worked well. Pt was a 7mo Vizsla who had an unfortunate encounter with a car that also resulted in femur and tibial fxs.
I had an opportunity to use a Penrose drain and a hemostat as a field expedient K9 TQ tonight for a laceration to the medial surface of the proximal left front pastern. Worked well. Pt was a 7mo Vizsla who had an unfortunate encounter with a car that also resulted in femur and tibial fxs.
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