Medical Marijuana Rant

[Gunz]

Medical marijauna was on the ballot here in Florida. I voted NO against legalization. Why? Because I just don't buy that this effort was in any way inspired by legitimate health concerns. Tell me the truth and you may get my vote. You want to smoke pot without the fear of getting arrested for possession and you want to be able to buy it the same way people buy booze. I have no problem with that. Instead you've got to cloak it in this mantle of medical respectability to make it palatable to the average voter.

 

[TLDR20]

Well I think you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Rant over.

 

[Gunz]

My apologies, I had no business posting a thread on this subject. Please delete.

 

[TLDR20]

I mean your welcome to post whatever you want, i just thought that your post was not logical. You are using a form where A automatically leads to Z. Well what about that pesky gray area of B through Y?

 

[Lefty375]

So what constitutes a legitimate health concern? If a high number of people find it pain reliving, I'm not sure how that's not legitimate.

I would like to hear more.

 

[goon175]

@Ocoka One you should check this thread out, it's pretty informative and well debated: https://shadowspear.com/vb/threads/the-marijuana-debate.19835/

 

[Gunz]

Thank you, goon, for the link. Yes sir, TLDR, I probably didn't think it through. I posted originally that in past years I've smoked it and along with alcohol abuse used it to numb the symptoms of PTSD and injuries. So I contradicted myself when I rejected its use for medicinal purposes. There's always a good possibility, especially during Happy Hour, that I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about . My impression is, however--and it may be mistaken-- that most of the people pushing this initiative are not necessarily in need of marijuana for health reasons. And I may be wrong, that's just the impression I get when I see noted injury attorney John Morgan pushing the issue at a local watering hole: Most of these people don't look sick.

 

[AWP]

John Morgan's a drunken asshole who shouldn't be allowed near ANY issue.

 

[Shredder477]

Whether the effort to legalize weed was with good Intentions or not, that's irrelevant IMO.

GMO's, artificial sweeteners, alcohol, cigarettes, numerous FDA approved drugs, etc are all legal, and they have resulted in more deaths, injuries, and illnesses in a single year, than weed has done in its entire existence.

I don't understand how any logical thinker could oppose the legalization of both medical, and recreational marijuana. Especially with all the positive and good scientific backing it has.

Let grown ups make grown up decisions. As long as it harms no one else besides the consumer, legalize it. And that is not exclusive to pot.

 

[DA SWO]

Whether the effort to legalize weed was with good Intentions or not, that's irrelevant IMO.

GMO's, artificial sweeteners, alcohol, cigarettes, numerous FDA approved drugs, etc are all legal, and they have resulted in more deaths, injuries, and illnesses in a single year, than weed has done in its entire existence.

I don't understand how any logical thinker could oppose the legalization of both medical, and recreational marijuana. Especially with all the positive and good scientific backing it has.

Let grown ups make grown up decisions. As long as it harms no one else besides the consumer, legalize it. And that is not exclusive to pot.

Do you have a study to back that claim up?
If so, post the link.

 

[pardus]

My impression is, however--and it may be mistaken-- that most of the people pushing this initiative are not necessarily in need of marijuana for health reasons.

And the problem with that is what exactly?

I am in no way trying to slam you. I'm not a pot smoker, I don't like it and I wouldn't do it if it were legal, but I think the prohibition on it is ludicrous and nonsensical. It was based on racism and false science and has been backed by stupidity and ignorance ever since.
Queen Victoria used prescribed marijuana to alleviate menstrual cramps for goodness sake.

That all said, it does have some serious health issues, and shouldn't be pushed as being all good etc... But then again, Aspirin is so dangerous it would never pass a medical trail now days.

 

[TLDR20]

Whether the effort to legalize weed was with good Intentions or not, that's irrelevant IMO.

GMO's, artificial sweeteners, alcohol, cigarettes, numerous FDA approved drugs, etc are all legal, and they have resulted in more deaths, injuries, and illnesses in a single year, than weed has done in its entire existence.

I don't understand how any logical thinker could oppose the legalization of both medical, and recreational marijuana. Especially with all the positive and good scientific backing it has.

Let grown ups make grown up decisions. As long as it harms no one else besides the consumer, legalize it. And that is not exclusive to pot.

Yeah I'd like to see a study linking GMO's to any deaths, let alone more than weed. Weed has the potential to be abused and I am sure it has been involved in more than one DUI death.

 

[pardus]

Yeah I'd like to see a study linking GMO's to any deaths, let alone more than weed. Weed has the potential to be abused and I am sure it has been involved in more than one DUI death.

Well if you consider the GMO seeds that do not themselves produce viable seeds for a farmer to use, that alone could result in a vast amount of deaths, but I do see what you're saying.

 

[TLDR20]

Well if you consider the GMO seeds that do not themselves produce viable seeds for a farmer to use, that alone could result in a vast amount of deaths, but I do see what you're saying.

Well I'm talking about human deaths due to ingesting GMO products. Not making seeds doesn't lead to death of any humans.

 

[Shredder477]

Do you have a study to back that claim up?
If so, post the link.

http://www.jbc.org/content/early/2013/11/07/jbc.M113.503037.short#ref-list-1

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bph.12321/abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23537701

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jphp.12082/abstract

http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v18/n9/full/mp201361a.html

http://www.jci.org/articles/view/37948

 

[Shredder477]

Yeah I'd like to see a study linking GMO's to any deaths, let alone more than weed. Weed has the potential to be abused and I am sure it has been involved in more than one DUI death.

I was speaking in regards to just consuming marijuana. There has not been a single, reported death to my knowledge, just from consuming marijuana.

I also never specifically stated that GMO's directly caused deaths. Thinking back, I probably said GMO's prematurely, although there have been lots of testing done with animal that have shown organ damage, gastrointestinal and immune system disorders, accelerated aging, infertility, etc. And human studies have shown how genetically modified foods can leave material behind inside us, possibly causing long-term problems. But you're technically right.. For now haha.

 

[CDG]

GMO's, artificial sweeteners, alcohol, cigarettes, numerous FDA approved drugs, etc are all legal, and they have resulted in more deaths, injuries, and illnesses in a single year, than weed has done in its entire existence.

http://www.jbc.org/content/early/2013/11/07/jbc.M113.503037.short#ref-list-1

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bph.12321/abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23537701

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jphp.12082/abstract

http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v18/n9/full/mp201361a.html

http://www.jci.org/articles/view/37948

The studies you posted links to don't even remotely begin to prove the claim you made.

 

[CDG]

GMO's, artificial sweeteners, alcohol, cigarettes, numerous FDA approved drugs, etc are all legal, and they have resulted in more deaths, injuries, and illnesses in a single year, than weed has done in its entire existence.

I also never specifically stated that GMO's directly caused deaths. Thinking back, I probably said GMO's prematurely.

Come on dude.

 

[AWP]

But you're technically right.. For now haha.

Ya'll debate and go at it, but the above...not a great idea. If you don't understand why this is a mistake, shoot me a Private Conversation and we'll take it offline. No need to derail the thread.

 

[Shredder477]

The studies you posted links to don't even remotely begin to prove the claim you made.

How so? I stated that there is a lot of positive information out there in regards to marijuana's medical use.

Come on dude.

Notice I also included "deaths, injuries, illnesses.", i included those too, for a reason.

When I said deaths, I was not really talking specifically about GMO's, more so Cigarette's, alcohol, and FDA approved medication. Sorry for the confusion.