Pentagon Seeks New Sidearm

Ranger Psych said:
I've got mungo hands and despise the M9. Fuck Beretta. I'd vote for glock, even though I don't LIKE them. They ARE reliable, they ARE easy to maintain and they ARE simple to train with.
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I agree about the Glock, I was issued one for about 6mths, not long enough for me to make a real review. I'm not a fan but they are hard to beat for reliability, and that is a major factor in a back up weapon. I really do hate the way they break down with those fidgety fucking things on the side, I never got used to them.

Give me a Sig.







ETA, I'm NOT a pistol guy by any measure.
 
When I was an armed guard. Not while active duty, we only had M9's at that point and while I carried one in Iraq, I still disliked the entirety of function. Slide mounted safeties are arguably the stupidest and out of easy manipulation position that you could possibly put them. It also adds more complexity for the slide than necessary, when the safety can be more easily incorporated into the frame. The only things a slide really need are a firing pin and firing pin block as far as "part of what makes it go bang system".
 
x SF med said:
Well.............. our issued sidearm was

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.... for the most part... we'd carry hawks occasionally.
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fixed
 
x SF med said:
the grip on the m9 (92 series) is hugely uncomfortable for me.... to the point that it makes it nearly unuseable for me.
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This one has multiple grips for different sized hands.
The Army will always insist on and safety (decocking lever) for it's pistols. Average Joe is too dangerous otherwise (and big Army will never spend money on quality weapons training for those most likely to carry a M9 as their only weapon).
 
x SF med said:
the grip on the m9 (92 series) is hugely uncomfortable for me.... to the point that it makes it nearly unuseable for me.
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I've always held one, strong opinion on the M9 series.

Fuck Beretta and the POS M9. That's about it.

There are people who can shoot it amazingly well (Super Dave comes to mind) but they are not average shooters by any means and shoot at a high level with whatever you put in their hand. We should dump that POS paperweight for so many reasons.
 
I think logistics will carry the M9 into victory lane, that and some articles suggest the current contract allows the Army (and other services) to switch into the M9A# as part of the current contract.
The Marines already order the M9A1, so that argument (existing contract allows) may be correct.
So not needing a huge logistics/part swap is why I think this pistol will win, and win without a competition.
I do not consider myself to be a great shooter, but with practice I became an above average M9 shooter (usually in the top 3 when my unit did their semi-annual quals).
Overall, I like it; but I would contract with Wilson Combat to make it a better pistol.
 
SOWT said:
This one has multiple grips for different sized hands.
The Army will always insist on and safety (decocking lever) for it's pistols. Average Joe is too dangerous otherwise (and big Army will never spend money on quality weapons training for those most likely to carry a M9 as their only weapon).
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I have no problem with a safety and decocker. Before I bought my LEM equipped USP Tactical, for years I carried decocked, on safe... drilled as such, and still had as a best time 0.92 from concealed holstered to 2 rounds on target at 7 yds. I don't get to shoot as much, but THAT wasn't an issue..... because it was a frame mounted safety.
 
Years ago I shot a Glock for the first time and hated it. Something about it felt "off," the ergonomics or whatever. Now I own two and prefer them over my M&P.

Minus units that shoot a lot, the Army would choose a Makarov or PPK over a Glock.
 

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