Pentagon Seeks New Sidearm

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Now everyone can be happy!

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What was wrong with the M11? We need to stay with 9MM, just for the ease of ammunition procurement/interoperability OCONUS. How many duty positions actually require handgun or a secondary weapon? The M1 Carbine was partially designed to fill the void between a handgun and main battle rifle. A semi-auto M4 with a simple 3X optic would work for probably have the people that are MTOE'd a pistol. The other I'm a XXXXXXXX and need a pistol needs to be STFU and STFD.

Also no one mentions the CZ lines of handguns... Does CZ not want to compete.
 
Freefalling said:
Can they? They don't manufacture in the US so can they compete for a gov't weapons contract?
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They can build a factory after winning the contract.

The RFI is jacked up as it also has the pistol team running an ammo plant, which will force partnerships that normally do not exist, and puts the weapons makers at risk (IMO) of a hostile take over.
 
DA SWO said:
They can build a factory after winning the contract.

The RFI is jacked up as it also has the pistol team running an ammo plant, which will force partnerships that normally do not exist, and puts the weapons makers at risk (IMO) of a hostile take over.
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The first part is just stupid, but I guess they'll make enough to justify the expense and have a North American plant more or less paid for by the USG.

Your second part just highlights how broken our acquisition process has become.
 
Freefalling said:
The first part is just stupid, but I guess they'll make enough to justify the expense and have a North American plant more or less paid for by the USG.

Your second part just highlights how broken our acquisition process has become.
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Opening a plant in the US is cost effective when you consider the volume being made, and don't forget civilian sales; all the fan boys will buy the latest SOCOM/USMIL weapon.
Compare Glock 17 prices to a few months ago, then do the same for the SIG P226 who went up and who went down?
 
Etype said:
1911??? No way, it's 2016. Exposed hammer? When you need your pistol, you REALLY need it. No point in needlessly exposing critical parts to damage.

Manual safety? The holster is the safety, when you take it out, you really need to shoot it fast- forget about a safety...
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You convinced me and I agree with you. You don't need a safety, I don't need a safety and plenty of other people don't need a safety. But this is a service-wide acquisition and that means everybody will get the same handguns, right?

I just remember hijacking a gook truck and going into Danang, right out of the bush, to buy film and pogey-bait for my bros...and seeing Marines at III MAF Disbursing with red wooden blocks inserted in the mag wells of their M16s. That told me--as did the horrible Beirut bombing episode--that the muckity-mucks don't trust the snuffies with loaded weapons, even in hostile zones. I just don't see general's approving a design without a safety. Even though, you're right, when you need it you need it bad and the trigger is the only mechanism that should matter.
 
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5 years in and this is what they select. The job should have been done in less than a year with simpler requirements that yielded a better pistol for the troops.

Hopefully SOF will continue to have the option to select their own pistols.
 
Kraut783 said:
mmmm...interesting, I liked the P228 (M11), but not the P226. Wonder what Sig will field.
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Diamondback 2/2 said:
Probably something almost as good as a Glock but for twice the price.
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Their offering was the P320, which is roughly comparable to Glock's pricing (last I checked it was $580 w/ night sights, $500 without... varies based on who's selling)
 
policemedic said:
5 years in and this is what they select. The job should have been done in less than a year with simpler requirements that yielded a better pistol for the troops.

Hopefully SOF will continue to have the option to select their own pistols.
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You can not have simpler requirements anymore, the losers will file a challenge and your requirements have to be ironclad.
SOF will have a choice between this and Glock 19's.

Totentanz said:
Their offering was the P320, which is roughly comparable to Glock's pricing (last I checked it was $580 w/ night sights, $500 without... varies based on who's selling)
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Government should be paying 60-80% of the going rate.
 
DA SWO said:
You can not have simpler requirements anymore, the losers will file a challenge and your requirements have to be ironclad.
SOF will have a choice between this and Glock 19's.


Government should be paying 60-80% of the going rate.
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I was simply pointing out that it's approximately par with Glock's price point is all (responding to the "twice the cost of a Glock" bit). It's somewhat apples/oranges - private purchasers aren't purchasing the additional parts, magazines, etc that will come with this contract.

RE: your first point, my memory isn't perfect - didn't that happen after the 92 was selected to be the M9 back in the 80s? (losers challenged the decision). To some extent I get it - when hundreds of millions are on the line, the job should be done right. In this case, however, I think it was perfect being the enemy of good.
 
Totentanz said:
I was simply pointing out that it's approximately par with Glock's price point is all (responding to the "twice the cost of a Glock" bit). It's somewhat apples/oranges - private purchasers aren't purchasing the additional parts, magazines, etc that will come with this contract.

RE: your first point, my memory isn't perfect - didn't that happen after the 92 was selected to be the M9 back in the 80s? (losers challenged the decision). To some extent I get it - when hundreds of millions are on the line, the job should be done right. In this case, however, I think it was perfect being the enemy of good.
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I don't know if Sig protested (ironic if Beretta protests).
I just hope the new pistol is reliable.
 

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