Shooting / Smoke Attack on NY Subway

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With a gun you feel like you've got half a chance even if you don't. You can say to yourself as you're bleeding out, well, if I'd only been faster. At least the opportunity to stop the madness was there...unlike the other poor unarmed bastards who just got straight slaughtered and had no chance at all.
 

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Those vests and belts just breed weakness and nothing more dangerous than a “weak” person….
FYI, those vests are very commonly worn on the subway; construction workers are required to wear them on the job sites, so many have them on when they commute. My son is one of them. 🙂
I agree with the OP and interpret it as, New York does not allow citizens to carry guns. Crazy how gun violence happened since guns are outlawed there. Guess criminals don't actually follow laws.

My point being, those citizens were not allowed to defend themselves against a cock roach savage intent on doing harm because of socialist laws.

Frankly, I'm no lawyer but, if I were one of those shot, I'd find a great 2A supporting lawyer and sue the city for my injuries. 2A is clear, the city violates that, tell me I'm wrong.

To add, many citizens, useful idiots believe a disarmed society is safer. The UK, Australia, frankly, Europe says this is not the case.

A peaceable armed society is a polite society.
I'm sorry, but I must disagree with you my friend. If 25% of the NYC population walked around with guns and a shooting happened, how the hell would the NYPD know the good guys from the bad guys? Talk about sidelining the police, they would likely be afraid to engage at all for fear of hitting a good guy. And what about the good guys?? They pull out their weapons and open fire, thinking they're doing the right thing and end up killing an innocent bystander. Can you imagine how that would affect their lives not to mention their insurance premiums??

To be honest, when you think about the number of people that ride the NYC subway every day - over 3 MILLION - it's a wonder that stuff like this doesn't happen weekly. And yet it doesn't. You can't stop a crazy person from doing a crazy thing.

I was regularly commuting from the Upper West Side to Brooklyn for work a few years ago,
boarding a packed, standing room only train coming south from the Bronx at 7:45am. I thought many time how easy it would be for someone to board at train way uptown before it fills up, leave behind a bag with a timed explosive once the train began filling up and no one would notice.
If anyone thinks I should edit/remove this paragraph, I'll be happy to.
I'm amazed by how quickly they were able to first identify, and then apprehend, the suspect. I didn't see in any of the articles I read how they knew who it was almost immediately. Did anyone catch that|?
My SIL works in the NYPD dept. that coordinates these type of efforts. 😎
 

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I want to clarify from my earlier post: I don't think that the speed with which they identified the suspect was anything nefarious, I'm just curious how they did it and didn't see it mentioned in the handful of reports I read.
 

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I want to clarify from my earlier post: I don't think that the speed with which they identified the suspect was anything nefarious, I'm just curious how they did it and didn't see it mentioned in the handful of reports I read.
That's why it's called the Intel Dept, they're good! LOL
I actually heard that the suspect might have reported himself on the tip line. I guess he didn't want to go out in a blaze of glory.
NYC subway shooting suspect called tip line on himself, sources say
 

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With a gun you feel like you've got half a chance even if you don't. You can say to yourself as you're bleeding out, well, if I'd only been faster. At least the opportunity to stop the madness was there...unlike the other poor unarmed bastards who just got straight slaughtered and had no chance at all.
Out of all these would be heroes in the area that day how many of them carried med gear that could have saved lives if necessary? How many trained in some type of martial arts that could have helped stop the attacker? How many of them were mentally and physically fit enough to deal with any aspect of that situation?

One confident person could have flanked that asshole and taken him to the ground. Apparently that didn’t happen and I highly doubt that some random cat with a handgun would have to fortitude to jerk that smoke wagon and go to work in a crowded and chaotic environment.

I get it. The gun laws are trash up there. But this constant line that “if someone was armed” isn’t going to change shit in most situations. The majority of people are going to do what people do: run the other way then post about it on social media later.
 

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Disagree with your opinion on the OP, I think he's spot on.

Agree with much of training of concealed carriers and where mass killer events happen but again, respectfully, I think you're missing the point, whether it's liberal NY or Texas, having an armed society, trained or not is safer. I don't put much trust in WAPO neither.

I agree that most people are fucking idiots. I'd wager that those folks with banana syndrome, head in phones, tie tok gay fucks, leftist skells have less situational awareness and are totally ok with a nanny state taking control of their lives and safety.

In summary, I'd rather have a peaceable armed society than virtue signaling, mask wearing because lord Fauci told em to, liberals. IMHO

Bro. You are conflating so many things it is hard to keep track.
Out of all these would be heroes in the area that day how many of them carried med gear that could have saved lives if necessary? How many trained in some type of martial arts that could have helped stop the attacker? How many of them were mentally and physically fit enough to deal with any aspect of that situation?

One confident person could have flanked that asshole and taken him to the ground. Apparently that didn’t happen and I highly doubt that some random cat with a handgun would have to fortitude to jerk that smoke wagon and go to work in a crowded and chaotic environment.

I get it. The gun laws are trash up there. But this constant line that “if someone was armed” isn’t going to change shit in most situations. The majority of people are going to do what people do: run the other way then post about it on social media later.

AMEN.
 

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FYI, those vests are very commonly worn on the subway; construction workers are required to wear them on the job sites, so many have them on when they commute. My son is one of them. 🙂

I think he was making a thinly veiled dig at the military and their use of reflective belts/vests 😎🤙. They most certainly have a use in the real world, but I believe this was his gist:
 

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I think he was making a thinly veiled dig at the military and their use of reflective belts/vests 😎🤙. They most certainly have a use in the real world, but I believe this was his gist:
I know! :) I wanted y'all to know that seeing a vest like that up here wouldn't set up alarm bells for anyone.
 

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I think he was making a thinly veiled dig at the military and their use of reflective belts/vests 😎🤙. They most certainly have a use in the real world, but I believe this was his gist:
Hell yeah sister!! What do you think saved my life in Iraq and Afghanistan all those times? That I was a FOBBIT who never left the wire? Hell no!! It was that green PT belt, which the Army still required me to wear... when I was deployed... in combat.
 

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Out of all these would be heroes in the area that day how many of them carried med gear that could have saved lives if necessary? How many trained in some type of martial arts that could have helped stop the attacker? How many of them were mentally and physically fit enough to deal with any aspect of that situation?

One confident person could have flanked that asshole and taken him to the ground. Apparently that didn’t happen and I highly doubt that some random cat with a handgun would have to fortitude to jerk that smoke wagon and go to work in a crowded and chaotic environment.

I get it. The gun laws are trash up there. But this constant line that “if someone was armed” isn’t going to change shit in most situations. The majority of people are going to do what people do: run the other way then post about it on social media later.

Absolutely. I figure of any 1000 people who carry maybe one or two wouldn’t soil their panties. But that doesn’t mean they’d be capable or cool enough to respond effectively.

There are a number of states that have passed carry laws—I think Ohio is a recent one—that don’t require any proof of training or safety classes prior to issuance. I think that’s a big mistake.
 

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Absolutely. I figure of any 1000 people who carry maybe one or two wouldn’t soil their panties. But that doesn’t mean they’d be capable or cool enough to respond effectively.

There are a number of states that have passed carry laws, —I think Ohio is a recent one—that don’t require any proof of training or safety classes prior to issuance. I think that’s a big mistake.

This is the thing, 1 or 2…. We all think we are the wolf. We all want to be gangster until it’s time to do gangster shit.

Pretending the problem is no one carrying guns isn’t realistic. Pretending the problem is government/political secret actors isn’t realistic. Pretending there is no problem, isn’t realistic. Pretending this is a reason to enact further gun laws isn’t realistic.
 

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I find it hilarious that people here are clamoring for more govt control in the private lives of citizens. It's naive to think that only law enforcement and govt have the ability to enact violence, a limited monopoly maybe, but as whole only what's tolerated. More govt won't save your lives and it's not gonna protect you when the chips are down.

As for limiting free citizens the ability to defend themselves, because of feels or the thought that said citizens aren't gangster enough, I think some of you are stuck in your own OODA loop.
 
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