Sydney Hostage situation - Australia

[CQB]

Read my post above, you guys have generations of trouble to deal with...

We all have including the USA. Both sides of the house here are in agreement with NATSEC. But this is hopefully going to pull up the ladder. We have stricter laws now, and the current govt. has moved away from the Refugee Convention which dates from 1947 and is outdated. (if needed I'll try and source same) More nations should do the same, or the thing should be reviewed. US borders are rediculiously porous & are worse than ours. You know intimately the pros and cons of the immigration situation where you are, as discussed here over time.

 

[pardus]

We all have including the USA. Both sides of the house here are in agreement with NATSEC. But this is hopefully going to pull up the ladder. We have stricter laws now, and the current govt. has moved away from the Refugee Convention which dates from 1947 and is outdated. (if needed I'll try and source same) More nations should do the same, or the thing should be reviewed. US borders are rediculiously porous & are worse than ours. You know intimately the pros and cons of the immigration situation where you are, as discussed here over time.

I agree with you. I'm not "attacking" you. The USA is the biggest fucking immigration disaster poster child in the world. However, my post still stands, Australia has fucked it's self by allowing them all in.

 

[CQB]

Yep, all good. SS has always encouraged debate, my point is we're not alone in this, it's generational & somewhat inter national. Do I find it odd that Green Left have been silent lately? Nah, not really.

 

[JBS]

I reference the ideas represented in another post (the Israel thread):

There is no reasoning with the animals of a death cult whose holy script says to kill and/or enslave under جزية‎ (Jizya imperial tribute) all those who do not convert. Those who believe this religious teaching literally are the sworn enemies of the West without hope of negotiation or a peaceful co-existence. They know only the cause.

 

[CQB]

The Coronial Inquiry opened today with quite a bit of information given out initially. There will be more from witnesses later in the year. Other matters to look at are why he was granted bail a few months before, his mental state & his surveillance. Also an interesting article popped up.

A former member of the Australian military's elite domestic counter-terrorism unit has publicly questioned the choice of weapon used by police in last month's Sydney Lindt cafe siege. Today a coronial inquiry into their deaths confirmed Ms Dawson died after being hit by fragments from a police bullet.
Mitchell McAlister, who spent two years as a tactical assaulter with 2nd Commando Tactical Assault Group, said he believed the threat posed by the lone gunman did not require a military counter-response.
But he said he had serious issues with the weapons used by the NSW Police Tactical Operations Unit (TOU).

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-...ialist-questions-sydney-siege-weapons/6053706

 

[pardus]

The Coronial Inquiry opened today with quite a bit of information given out initially. There will be more from witnesses later in the year. Other matters to look at are why he was granted bail a few months before, his mental state & his surveillance. Also an interesting article popped up.

A former member of the Australian military's elite domestic counter-terrorism unit has publicly questioned the choice of weapon used by police in last month's Sydney Lindt cafe siege. Today a coronial inquiry into their deaths confirmed Ms Dawson died after being hit by fragments from a police bullet.
Mitchell McAlister, who spent two years as a tactical assaulter with 2nd Commando Tactical Assault Group, said he believed the threat posed by the lone gunman did not require a military counter-response.
But he said he had serious issues with the weapons used by the NSW Police Tactical Operations Unit (TOU).

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-...ialist-questions-sydney-siege-weapons/6053706

That bloke sounds like a bit of a tosser to me.
The hostage situation didn't require a military response he says, well dickhead, the military didn't respond, it was a police unit.
5.56mm rounds are "heavy" now?
What type of ammo were the cops using? 55gr soft points? 77g FMJ? 62g "penetrating" rounds? Does he know?
Also a 9mm penetrates a LOT. Would he expect a different result with a 9mm? Clearly he does, but I think he's full of shit.

 

[CQB]

Yep, valid point on the ammo. It's curious he's stuck his head up now.

 

[pardus]

Yep, valid point on the ammo. It's curious he's stuck his head up now.

I'm curious if he's got a book coming out soon, or something similar...

 

[CQB]

HA!

 

[digrar]

I'd pay particular attention to what part of that article has directly quoted him and what has been made up by a dodgy journo that can't work out that 2 Commando changed it's name from 4RAR nearly 6 years ago. Old mate is just writing for SOFREP, it's the ABC that is plagiarizing the crap out of him.

 

[CQB]

Noted the 2 Cdo/4RAR misnomer but let it go through to the keeper. Pretty valid talking points in the above. There'll be more to come I'm sure.
ETA: I did occur to me it's one diggers opinion in a plethora of opinions & a point no-ones' raised before.

 

[pardus]

Australian government report on the siege.

 

[digrar]

I struggle with how a POS with such obvious character flaws was ever allowed to attain citizenship.

 

[x SF med]

Australian government report on the siege.

Um.... wow, just wow.... "no threat".... good on ya boyos, stellar work in the investigation of his behavior over the course of nearly 2 decades.

 

[digrar]

To be fair up until the last 24 months when it became apparent that he was a murderer and a rapist, his main lame to fame was that he was a serial pest but generally considered harmless. Not bad enough to put a strike through his name, but enough to keep him on the radar as a pain in everyone's arse

 

[pardus]

To be fair up until the last 24 months when it became apparent that he was a murderer and a rapist, his main lame to fame was that he was a serial pest but generally considered harmless. Not bad enough to put a strike through his name, but enough to keep him on the radar as a pain in everyone's arse

I hope there is some re-considering going on. Aussie has some weak policies that need addressing.

 

[x SF med]

To be fair up until the last 24 months when it became apparent that he was a murderer and a rapist, his main lame to fame was that he was a serial pest but generally considered harmless. Not bad enough to put a strike through his name, but enough to keep him on the radar as a pain in everyone's arse

As he was taking the dole...

 

[digrar]

If we got rid of all the illegals that were on the dole, we'd have very few illegals... The very generous social welfare is one of the main reasons the bludging bastards come here.

 

[CQB]

I hope there is some re-considering going on. Aussie has some weak policies that need addressing.

Measures have been, or will be tightened. The "benefit of the doubt' has been recinded and replaced by "convince me dickhead" to put it bluntly, with regard to immigration and asylum, which is a whole other topic worthy of a thread on Digrars forum.
It looks like ASIO knew he was sus, but had to go with the paremeters of that time, but perhaps thinking out of the box is a concept that's foreign to our domestic guardians, particulary Immigration. As at 9/11 it became chrystal in the rear view mirror when events unfolded. As the Irish would say, "There's a whale in the bay." Some of the reports sections I've read are really eyebrow raising, but still this cunt got away with staying here. I'm more inclined he stayed here, more by dumb luck than good management. There's the coroners report to come and this will add to the brief.

 

[pardus]

What I found particularly surprising was OZ allowing ISIS fighters back into the country. I sincerely hope that is addressed. That should be an automatic revocation of citizenship for any country.