The Marijuana Debate

How much you want to bet, that now that ALL use is not illegal, someone will be able to test for THC intoxication? I.E. a way to bust MJ buzzed drivers.
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It's been done for years as even though it has yet (Cannabis) to be completely legalized, and if you think it's the only thing other than alcohol shown in direct correlation to cognitive impairment, add in all the others, such as hallucinogenics, analgesics, anesthetics, etc. Operating a motor vehicle and exhibiting signs similar to those of alcohol impairment. Of course, most officers have some funny experiences with stops like this. You get stopped, I walk on up. I tell you to roll down your window and it's like Cheech and Chong times 20 have been inside the vehicle along with you....

Reasonable suspicion begins at first observation, such as swerving, sitting there at an intersection and the light cycles more than once and you haven't moved, failure to maintain your lane integrity and others, then continues during personal contact once the fumigation cloud clears up and beside the driver. Then you get the usual SFST's. HGN, VGN, pupil dilation, Divided Attention, and observations pertaining to interaction, slurred speech, blood shot eyes, and performance results based on the tests administered. Granted, nystagmus isn't always present in THC use alone, however, from my standpoint, you may be over lapping (Impairment from more than one substance)

Implied consent for either an alco sensor and or intoxilyzer, and or by warrant (If not by consent) for blood and oral samples for concentration levels. THC concentrations usually between 5 and 10 ng/ml can be shown to establish a pretty good case regarding THC limit for showing threshold impairment combined with all the other results and the officer's testimony.

Many variables exist which make it more difficult to detect, such as body mass, diet, frequency of use, tobacco users etc. But most officers, based on their training and experience have been down this road....a lot.

If you think this is something new, think again.
 
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It's been done for years as even though it has yet (Cannabis) to be completely legalized, and if you think it's the only thing other than alcohol shown in direct correlation to cognitive impairment, add in all the others, such as hallucinogenics, analgesics, anesthetics, etc. Operating a motor vehicle and exhibiting signs similar to those of alcohol impairment. Of course, most officers have some funny experiences with stops like this. You get stopped, I walk on up. I tell you to roll down your window and it's like Cheech and Chong times 20 have been inside the vehicle along with you....

Reasonable suspicion begins at first observation, such as swerving, sitting there at an intersection and the light cycles more than once and you haven't moved, failure to maintain your lane integrity and others, then continues during personal contact once the fumigation cloud clears up and beside the driver. Then you get the usual SFST's. HGN, VGN, pupil dilation, Divided Attention, and observations pertaining to interaction, slurred speech, blood shot eyes, and performance results based on the tests administered. Granted, nystagmus isn't always present in THC use alone, however, from my standpoint, you may be over lapping (Impairment from more than one substance)

Implied consent for either an alco sensor and or intoxilyzer, and or by warrant (If not by consent) for blood and oral samples for concentration levels. THC concentrations usually between 5 and 10 ng/ml can be shown to establish a pretty good case regarding THC limit for showing threshold impairment combined with all the other results and the officer's testimony.

Many variables exist which make it more difficult to detect, such as body mass, diet, frequency of use, tobacco users etc. But most officers, based on their training and experience have been down this road....a lot.

If you think this is something new, think again.


Yep, we've been arresting for DWI (drugs) for awhile now....its all the same...impairment, alcohol or drugs. One of the reasons we have patrol guys trained as DRE's (drug recognition expert).
 
This is a productive conversation, as there are many different view points being said/seen. I have learned from this thread even though I haven't agreed with 100% of it, and I think that it should continue.

Let's just keep in mind- scientific/medical studies are one thing. Articles from a random website are another, and your opinion gained from a combination of your personal experience, websites, articles, and studies are completely another.

Voice your opinion, but make it clear it's your opinion. Don't say "studies have shown" or anything resembling that without putting up the link to your source unless you are ready to get called out for a lack of integrity, cause that's what's going to happen from here on out.
 
This is my opinion:

Legalize every drug, Tax it, Invade Mexico, Call it south Texas, charge people to Visit, kill all cartel, make a Ft Knox but for drugs, use money earned to fix America!!!!

Its not perfect, nothing is....but I think the pros outweigh the cons here when it comes to legalizing Marijuana......



No animals were harmed in the making of this opinion!
 
The studies I have (come across) regarding juveniles are clinical, and I'll post them as soon as I can sit down behind the PC. I'm on my phone and only have a limited amount of time atm.
 
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