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It's pretty bad when your CG has to dictate and write out your entire daily routine. 
2nd Mar Div about to get their world turned upside down....
Some of the comments are pretty good too...
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You see? This is what happens at Camp Swampy when the war is over bwahaaahhaaaa...the Fighting Devil Dogs become Lazy Devil Slobs. Been there, seen it. All the dark Green Marines get their no-shaving chits from the dark blue swabbys in sickbay; all the light green lance criminals get their civvy clothes at Pimps-R-Us; in uniform everybody below E5 is competing for The Saltiest Marine award...and the whole fucking program generally goes south.
Seriously, if Gen. Furness wants to get everybody's shit in one green ditty bag, and scare the crap out of everybody in the process, he and his Div SgtMaj need to spend a week making surprise raids on every battalion area--like fucking George S. Patton...
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Devildoc
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You know when he includes sailors assigned that it must be serious. We do such a good job a blending in the shadows and bending the rules that we can do it for a long time before it ever gets noticed.
When I was in the field I admit I looked like a homeless person. But when I was on base, I was the model of a modern major-general, well, you know what I mean.
When I was in the field I admit I looked like a homeless person. But when I was on base, I was the model of a modern major-general, well, you know what I mean.
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Well now it's a news story....I see the pic below and think only one thing....
They get to wear gloves??? I still cannot see a nasty cigarette butt on the ground without thinking of the likely hundreds of those nasty fuckers I picked up with my bare hands during various police calls.....
General Mandates 'Daily Routine' After Seeing Sloppy, Unshaven Marines
They get to wear gloves??? I still cannot see a nasty cigarette butt on the ground without thinking of the likely hundreds of those nasty fuckers I picked up with my bare hands during various police calls.....
General Mandates 'Daily Routine' After Seeing Sloppy, Unshaven Marines
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Aw quit your bitching. BITD we used to police up cigarette butts and smoke what was left of the good ones. Here's a pic of some hardened Camp Geiger SOI killers from the good old days. I'm the good-lookin one.
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General Furness was my battalion and regimental commander in Iraq and Afghanistan respectively. Something must have really set him off. He wouldn’t do that haphazardly. Whatever it was....bet it doesn’t happen again!!!It's pretty bad when your CG has to dictate and write out your entire daily routine.
Had to take a second look...dafuk looks like a nephew...dang
2nd Mar Div about to get their world turned upside down....
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I get the WHY, but when they can't get anyone to reenlist, I hope they see the why.
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I blame the SNCO's and NCO's for this one....the General is not fucking with anyone, but what the General wrote in his memo does not happen overnight, it is 'one bad haircut'....one bad shave....etc....etc....nobody cares? The PFC's and Lance Corporals aren't going to sweat the shit if the NCO's don't. Poor leadership top to bottom....the General saw something that either infuriated or embarrassed him....can't blame the Marine Corps for shit that should have already been happening.
I'm tracking, still doesn't change my answer about higher leadership seeing why they lose good Marines when they don't want to reenlist.
You can go a little higher. Platoon commanders, company commanders, even some BN COs and XOs.
If these problems are as widespread throughout the division as the directive suggests, then what you've got is a post-war disciplinary malaise--which is exactly what happened at 2nd MARDIV (and elsewhere) in the years after Vietnam. The boredom of garrison life sets in, too much routine, give-a-fuck attitudes, morale problems, drug and alcohol problems, racial issues, barracks fights, you name it. And on top of it, not enough field exercises, range time, combat training.
I've mentioned this in a number of posts on SS. You want steely-eyed combat Marines during peacetime? Spend the money, get them out of the battalion areas and into the field, let them play with the cool stuff, Ospreys, amtracs, get them trigger-time and tighten up discipline.
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Real story time, about a time I looked like a rolling bag of donuts on base, and a run-in with some officers.
We had been in the field, five or six days. When I'm in the field I do not blouse my boots. I had five days worth of stubble, uniform with looked like crap, etc. We have all been there. We had a marine have an allergic reaction to something, so I ended up going to the ER at the hospital at Camp Lejeune with him. I was hanging out in the ER, just leaning against the nurses station shooting the shit, and in walks the base commander, and a rear admiral from the medical corps. Some sort of facilities inspection.
These guys and their entourage go over to the nurses station to just chat for a minute with the staff. I go from leaning against the nurses station to just kind of standing at an at-ease, those two flags and their entourage just keep giving me the dirty look. Nobody actually says anything, but if looks killed, I would have died there.
One of the officers from their group, a lieutenant colonel, walked over to me, looks at my collar, and says, "hey doc, how are you doing?". I explained I just came in from the field with a sick Marine. His demeanor changed entirely and from that point on it was okay.
It wasn't like I could slip away to the head to change cammies, shave, get a haircut, and get myself looking good. But it sure was a tense few minutes.
I absolutely understand the policy and directive he put out, you know if the division commanding officer is noticing these things, it's not like they are small things or infrequent findings.
We had been in the field, five or six days. When I'm in the field I do not blouse my boots. I had five days worth of stubble, uniform with looked like crap, etc. We have all been there. We had a marine have an allergic reaction to something, so I ended up going to the ER at the hospital at Camp Lejeune with him. I was hanging out in the ER, just leaning against the nurses station shooting the shit, and in walks the base commander, and a rear admiral from the medical corps. Some sort of facilities inspection.
These guys and their entourage go over to the nurses station to just chat for a minute with the staff. I go from leaning against the nurses station to just kind of standing at an at-ease, those two flags and their entourage just keep giving me the dirty look. Nobody actually says anything, but if looks killed, I would have died there.
One of the officers from their group, a lieutenant colonel, walked over to me, looks at my collar, and says, "hey doc, how are you doing?". I explained I just came in from the field with a sick Marine. His demeanor changed entirely and from that point on it was okay.
It wasn't like I could slip away to the head to change cammies, shave, get a haircut, and get myself looking good. But it sure was a tense few minutes.
I absolutely understand the policy and directive he put out, you know if the division commanding officer is noticing these things, it's not like they are small things or infrequent findings.
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The "Fuck fuck" games in 2nd DIv continue....
