Kraut783
SOF Support
God....I love that missing man formation, always moving for me.
A sad day for the soldier/seaman/airman on the ground.... (A-10/CAS Discussion)
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Good article from WOTR that I just read. Talks about the USAF's obsession with the idea of stealth and why it needs to refocus.
Stuck on Denial Part I: The U.S. Air Force and Stealth
Stuck on Denial Part I: The U.S. Air Force and Stealth
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...and one more just because I happened upon it and thought it was pretty cool seeing the guns fired from the ground in test-mode...
SpongeBob*24
Verified Military
Its all about the current fight....right now..its bombs and time on TGT.....
The F18 offers neither!!!!:wall:
I am not arguing with the pie graph, just saying I'd put the B-1 before a few other assets on that chart!!!!!:blkeye:
Lets call it 12%.....:blkeye:
Based on what? What's your experience with CAS?
SpongeBob*24
Verified Military
hehehe......really?????
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Yes, really. Your profile says you were Army Commo, so I'm curious about what you're basing your opinions off of. It's a simple query.
SpongeBob*24
Verified Military
Fair enough, new war = new techniques....
We are not allowed to go to the fight, therefore we must control the fight in the air.
This equals the most fire power and best comms platforms in the Air Force arsenal.
I rate it A-10, AC-130, B-1.
In 24 months of crushing this shit, even the AC-130 W looses out cause it sucks!
So if you wanna talk deployments and what has been used let me know, we can talk off line.
We are not allowed to go to the fight, therefore we must control the fight in the air.
This equals the most fire power and best comms platforms in the Air Force arsenal.
I rate it A-10, AC-130, B-1.
In 24 months of crushing this shit, even the AC-130 W looses out cause it sucks!
So if you wanna talk deployments and what has been used let me know, we can talk off line.
We don't need to talk offline. I'm aware of what is being used and how it's being used in the current fight.
Most firepower by volume, but that comes with cons as well. Most total bombs doesn't equal most useful firepower, it's situation dependent. What are you basing best comms off of? In other words, what criteria means best comms to you?
How does the Whiskey suck?
I don't think the B-1 is a bad platform, and there are definitely cases where it is the best platform. If we're talking what airframe is the 80% solution more often than not, I don't think the B-1 is anywhere near the top.
SpongeBob*24
Verified Military
Best comms equals a quality SATCOM.
F-15/F-18 SATCOM unusable.
AC-130W 30mm is as inaccurate as my pistol shooting!
The B1 has time on TGT and bombs, so I think it is the 80% solution!
F-15/F-18 SATCOM unusable.
AC-130W 30mm is as inaccurate as my pistol shooting!
The B1 has time on TGT and bombs, so I think it is the 80% solution!
SATCOM is not the be all end all of comms. Current fight is one thing, but we can't lose sight of being able to communicate in other ways.
Explain why you are saying the Whiskey model 30mm is so inaccurate. That's not what I'm tracking currently.
Time on TGT, sure. It also needs that because reattacks are 20 minute affairs. Again, lots of bombs doesn't mean it's best suited for every situation.
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SpongeBob*24
Verified Military
Saw some unskilled shooting, if you say its fixed then I believe you!
Predator is 1% on the pie graph. Would you take a Pred over a B-1?
Predator is 1% on the pie graph. Would you take a Pred over a B-1?
Unskilled, or the weapon system was inherently inaccurate? Either way it's an issue for a real world mission, but I haven't heard anything along those lines before.
Mission dependent I would. The Pred is like the B-1, really good for some things, not very useful for others, and not the 80% solution very often. Either one is nice to have in an overall stack, but I wouldn't want either with nothing else available unless it's a very specific situation. I don't dislike the B-1, I just think a lot of other platforms are better for doctrinal CAS. If we're talking pre-assault fires, Type 2s from a TOC on fixed targets, or a show of force with afterburners, then give me a B-1. For engaging hostile targets in close proximity to friendly forces that requires the detailed integration of the air mission with the fire and movement of those forces, I'm only using a B-1 if I don't have another, more responsive, option.
SpongeBob*24
Verified Military
Understand, thanks!!!
The AF might move towards a dedicated CAS platform.
Air Force Moving Forward With A-10 Replacement Option
Or they are paying lip service to the political firestorm.
FWIW, Holmes as the Wing Commander at Bagram from 08-09 and was generally well-liked. He's an F-15 driver but has most of his time in air superiority, not Strike Eagles.
Air Force Moving Forward With A-10 Replacement Option
Or they are paying lip service to the political firestorm.
FWIW, Holmes as the Wing Commander at Bagram from 08-09 and was generally well-liked. He's an F-15 driver but has most of his time in air superiority, not Strike Eagles.
Kraut783
SOF Support
Just a question, why not just upgrade the A-10?
Is it not feasible?
Is it not feasible?
Might not be cost effective.
The planes are old and eventually replacing parts gets too expensive.
We can get away with it (B-52 for example) if we have parts sitting in the boneyard, but eventually you have to build new parts and that is very expensive.
It sounds like a joke to say it's too expensive given what the F-35 has cost us, but it was deemed not fiscally responsible. Lol. It's true, the A-X if done right would be cheaper than upgrading the A-10, but we know how that will probably go.
