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amlove21 said:
Jones is s better fighter than DC, period. Clean, on trace amounts of tacos, both of them juiced to the gills, whatever. Gun to your head, if you had to bet your life on the outcome of a DC-Jones fight, no one takes DC.

DC is still going to be (and should be) rated/remembered higher than Bones. The Lesner fight is painfully stupid for DC to consider, but at this point a legacy with an asterisk can probably weather a side-show sort of fight to end it, ya know?
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We've had this discussion before. That's like trying to say Lance is better than all of those people he beat. When in reality he was just a blood doper. Part of what makes an athlete is competing clean. Jones is a Doper and a schmuck. Therefore putting him in the same sentence as DC isn't a good place for me personally.
 
ThunderHorse said:
We've had this discussion before. That's like trying to say Lance is better than all of those people he beat. When in reality he was just a blood doper. Part of what makes an athlete is competing clean. Jones is a Doper and a schmuck. Therefore putting him in the same sentence as DC isn't a good place for me personally.
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That's all good. So you think DC could beat Jones, because the only advantage Jones has was PEDs?
 
ThunderHorse said:
We've had this discussion before. That's like trying to say Lance is better than all of those people he beat. When in reality he was just a blood doper. Part of what makes an athlete is competing clean. Jones is a Doper and a schmuck. Therefore putting him in the same sentence as DC isn't a good place for me personally.
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I agree with you, and I think a lot of people except the most die hard in the Jones camp would say that DC's legacy is untouchable by Jones by this point.

But, let's be honest with ourselves, DC excels at fighters who rely on groundwork and punches, but hits an absolute brick wall when it comes to someone like Jones who can create so much space, has the leverage, and has one of the nastiest kicks in the sport.

PEDS don't give someone those traits, that is just pure genetics and a freak of nature.

I love DC but I dont believe he could ever beat Jones PEDS or not.
 
ThunderHorse said:
We've had this discussion before. That's like trying to say Lance is better than all of those people he beat. When in reality he was just a blood doper. Part of what makes an athlete is competing clean. Jones is a Doper and a schmuck. Therefore putting him in the same sentence as DC isn't a good place for me personally.
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amlove21 said:
That's all good. So you think DC could beat Jones, because the only advantage Jones has was PEDs?
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I mean he wouldn’t have that 83” reach without Anavar...
 
amlove21 said:
That's all good. So you think DC could beat Jones, because the only advantage Jones has was PEDs?
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Jones had the chance to defend the Light Heavyweight Title for ten years. His physical attributes and skills were clear to me. But he didn't care enough for his own gifts or his ego got in the way. I understand the pressures that come with being the Champ, but the dude cracked and is now synonymous with doping in the sport.
 
ThunderHorse said:
Jones had the chance to defend the Light Heavyweight Title for ten years. His physical attributes and skills were clear to me. But he didn't care enough for his own gifts or his ego got in the way. I understand the pressures that come with being the Champ, but the dude cracked and is now synonymous with doping in the sport.
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No disagreements from me.

He'd still knock DC out tho... :D
 
I've never done any type of PED so it's hard to measure the effectivness. Jones did win several huge fights and tested clean, I don't see how coke would help him do anything but decay. I have to assume the testing regimine was always the same throughout his fights.
 
ThunderHorse said:
We've had this discussion before. That's like trying to say Lance is better than all of those people he beat. When in reality he was just a blood doper. Part of what makes an athlete is competing clean. Jones is a Doper and a schmuck. Therefore putting him in the same sentence as DC isn't a good place for me personally.
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Without doping, Lance was just an OK Cyclist, not great. Jones was bad ass before he attempting anything. That's my opinion, as uneducated as it is.


:-oO_o
 
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Hmmmm, Jones fought a great fight against DC, and the knock out set up was excellent. But Jones didn't dominate the fight until the end. DC got better from their first fight, he just laid out the supposed "best heavy weight of all times". DC is fighting, Jones is wasting away on the sideline. If DC hangs around long enough for Jones to get back in the cage, I'm not so sure it goes the way everyone thinks. Especially if Jones has to bump up to heavy weight to fight DC, just saying.

That said, Jones had the opportunity to be the GOAT, he ain't. Anderson Silva had the opportunity to be the GOAT, he ain't. I think unless some verifications can be made on GSP's supposed cheats, I think he is holding the GOAT title, as much as it pains me to say that... DC even if he beats Jones, will never be the GOAT, unfortunately, and the sad part, is Jones screwed both his and DC's legacy. It's pretty outrageous, and just based on that, and his proven track record, I don't think DC even gives him another fight.

$.02

FYI: I was one of the biggest Jon Bones Jones fans, he ruined that for me, he is a cheat, a liar, a criminal and I won't be a supporter of that type of person. I don't believe he was clean, I believe he has cheated his whole career, with all types of drug use, to include PED's.
 
So- the move to heavyweight for Jones is easy, he walks around at that weight. Light heavyweight was a pain for him to cut. That issue is moot- he's been talking about the move to heavyweight for years and he’s better there than he was at light- which logically leads to, he’s also better than DC at that weight.

Be honest with me- did either of you have a nasty breakup with Bones? Did he take you to a nice seafood dinner and never call you again? I just don’t understand how you have such strong feelings about a dude you’ve never shared a space with. Lol. He’s a paid, human cockfighter that you want to watch get a brain injury and people somehow act shocked when he does coke on the weekend or take substances to win for 1/10th of a veteran punter in the NFL? Ok.

Bottom line- at whatever weight, clean or not, DC doesn’t beat Jones. Jones is ready right now, BTW. He’s not ‘wasting away’ here in Albuquerque.

However, DC beat the best heavyweight (no quotes needed) MMA has seen yet and he did it by knockout in the first round. He’s in that conversation for GOAT. And we know his fat ass didn’t take any PEDs to beat Stipe. Doesn’t look like he took any runs either.
 
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Lance was a doper who beat other dopers. Jones wrecked DC over 5 rounds their first fight. The trace amount of his last failed test were preceeded by a clean test and followed by a clean test. Jones is a terrible human being but is a far better fighter compared to DC. Let's not rush to praise DC for what he did when he was probably the 2nd best HW in the world before he dropped down to LHW only to get schooled by Jones. People are making it out like DC has never fought at HW before and is some 185er who fought at HW. Clean, both on roids, on a mountain, on the moon, or anywhere in the cosmos Jones is a better fighter.
 
SpongeBob*24 said:
I get the Lance Armstrong analogy but that's different. He insulted an entire Continent by crushing everyone year after year, he did it to the point they froze his blood until technology improved enough to find him guilty. He got greedy and I personally think half the cyclists during the Tour de France do some type of Red blood cell "Shenanigans". They just don't get caught because they don't win every race.

Without doping, Lance was just an OK Cyclist, not great. Jones was bad ass before he attempting anything. That's my opinion, as uneducated as it is.


:-oO_o
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That's sort of my point with Jones though, he didn't need PEDs to dominate the LHW division for a decade if he chose. He had the talent.
 
Alright- after listening to Brendan Schaub's "Below the Belt" podcast and his reasoning, I am putting it out there- DC is the GOAT of the fight game.

Silva, Jones out cause of multiple testing issues. DC's body of work far outstrips anyone close (GSP, Mighty Mouse). Conor hasn't defended a belt.

The thing that seals it for me? DC started MMA at 30. THIRTY. YEARS. OLD. In 9 years., he has beat innumerable top 5 fighters in their prime after already being successful as a 2 time Olympian.

Prison rules? Jones kills him. Streets? Jones kills him. One time only "you can use any PEDs you want" fight? Jones again.

But that's not the case and those aren't the rules. DC is the GOAT.
 
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