Electronic forensics guys are weird. And I'm a weird guy so they must be pretty odd.
Damn good at their jobs though.
Damn good at their jobs though.
Australian Army accepting foreigners
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Draneol
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If any of you guys are into going to another country, Plumbers (5 years experience), Electricians (5 years experience), Diesel Mechanics (Degree Diesel Mechanics) Carpenters(4 years experience), Electronics Technician (Degree), Computer Information Systems (ATA-Degree) Information Systems Security (ATA) and Truck Drivers (CDL Class A with 3 or more years experience) can enlist through the New Zealand Embassy, Australian Embassy, Switzerland Embassy, or Taiwan Embassies. They'll give you citizenship at expense of your own US citizenship though.
Their immigration services will also pay to ship you over to their countries for either military service, or to work as a civilian with these skillsets/experience/education. The people who came from Australia and New Zealand stressed the trades heavily, especially the IT-ATA students. "Top of the world Technology", state of the art network systems, and so fourth. Including age waiver up to two years depending on your experience. At least that was their recruiting shpeel at my school.
The primary people that had the most interest in though, were the Digital Forensics students, and the Network Security students. The Recruiters were googly eyed walking through the classroom seeing the stuff they were learning to do. I don't know if it's the same recruiting program they have for past enlisted or foreign enlisted though, but they do have a huge interest if you have the above education or experience though. It's also posted on each immigrations websites for each countries listed.
Digital Forensics tracked ATAs, and Network Security ATA students though, like no joke, when the recruiters met my friends at lunch (I was with them at the time) to sit down and talk to them, it was as if I never existed, the way the NZ guys spoke to them, it was like watching the NFL negotiate for a high strung football player. When the guys said they were willing to meet up at another time to discuss details of Enlisting and living in New Zealand, I almost though the NZ Recruiters were about to blow their load. (parton the expression) you could tell looking at their faces they could barely keep themselves from shaking.
I'm not sure of any details of their enlistments, just that they are going to wayoryou or however it's spelled for their training. But again, I don't know if this is the same program as found in the news articles.
Their immigration services will also pay to ship you over to their countries for either military service, or to work as a civilian with these skillsets/experience/education. The people who came from Australia and New Zealand stressed the trades heavily, especially the IT-ATA students. "Top of the world Technology", state of the art network systems, and so fourth. Including age waiver up to two years depending on your experience. At least that was their recruiting shpeel at my school.
The primary people that had the most interest in though, were the Digital Forensics students, and the Network Security students. The Recruiters were googly eyed walking through the classroom seeing the stuff they were learning to do. I don't know if it's the same recruiting program they have for past enlisted or foreign enlisted though, but they do have a huge interest if you have the above education or experience though. It's also posted on each immigrations websites for each countries listed.
Digital Forensics tracked ATAs, and Network Security ATA students though, like no joke, when the recruiters met my friends at lunch (I was with them at the time) to sit down and talk to them, it was as if I never existed, the way the NZ guys spoke to them, it was like watching the NFL negotiate for a high strung football player. When the guys said they were willing to meet up at another time to discuss details of Enlisting and living in New Zealand, I almost though the NZ Recruiters were about to blow their load. (parton the expression) you could tell looking at their faces they could barely keep themselves from shaking.
I'm not sure of any details of their enlistments, just that they are going to wayoryou or however it's spelled for their training. But again, I don't know if this is the same program as found in the news articles.
I doubt they will give them citizenship right off the bat. PR for sure though. I've met a few people working in various places who weren't citizens but are PR holders snd still citizens of The Five Bros.
Draneol
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That's very interesting to hear.
We require people transferring to take on Australian citizenship ASAP. Pretty sure we don't demand people give up their US citizenship though.
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They might not but I think the US frowns on its citizens fighting for foreign armies.
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http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migr...tion/ToolboxLinks/essentialskills.htm?level=1
Anyone who meets those skills get work permits for civilian employment.
For those that go military, are granted citizenship after the completion of their term of Enlistment. But it will cost US Citizenship status, because unless you're in a non-clearance holding position, you cannot hold dual citizenship status. You may believe what you wish, but overall, the above is for civilian acquired skills for civilian employment. Their defense forces primary focus is for the occupations I had listed earlier.
For civilian side you need tow ork in the field for 3 years in New Zealand to turn from temporary to permanent and get citizenship. I spoke to the NZDF earlier today before seeing a regular army recruiter.
As far as Military to Military Transfer, they don't care about years in service, they care about what rank you held in the foreign military in the specific job occupation. Exact website that was written down by the NZDF recruiter from their consulate: http://www.defencecareers.mil.nz/reenlist-overseas/overseas-applicants/roles They aren't looking for Special Forces this, or that for military to military transfers, just the specific skills that they are the shortest in, that foreign armies like those of Canada, the US, the UK, Australia, and so fourth train to an equivalent standard.
You can choose to believe what you wish, but this is the information I have been given.
Draneol
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The only equivalent the NZDF recruiter said that they will allow a waiver, is for Soldiers, Marines, and Airmen who have been trained and operate as military truck drivers, of which they will allow military servicemen who have held the rank equivalent to Corporal in the NZDF. He said for all US military personnel or former military personnel who have the qualifications of their recruitment site for overseas applicants, to contact the nearest Embassy for NZDF recruitment for the up to date list.
Draneol
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They just put you on the FBI watch list, that's all.
Lots of government plated black cars driving around foreign recruiters, let me tell ya. lol Jokes aside though, I was shocked how badly New Zealand needs truck drivers, for their Army, and their civilian industry. Truck Drivers and Sailors were the two biggest above all they stressed about, even asking the guy if he had a choice between an Army Delta Force (went there) Operator or an Army Truck Driver who would they rather have, and his reply was the" truck driver; New Zealand SAS was better trained and looked too cool to worry about a Delta Force Commando" I chuckled a bit, but he was being serious about the needs and wants for truck drivers especially.
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They just put you on the FBI watch list, that's all.
Jokes aside though, I was shocked how badly New Zealand needs truck drivers, for their Army, and their civilian industry. Truck Drivers and Sailors were the two biggest above all they stressed about, even asking the guy if he had a choice between an Army Delta Force (went there) Operator or an Army Truck Driver who would they rather have, and his reply was the" truck driver; New Zealand SAS was better trained and looked too cool to worry about a Delta Force Commando" I chuckled a bit, but he was being serious about the needs and wants for truck drivers especially.
I was willing to give you a chance, but starting now you need to read more and post less.
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Your story has changed now I see.
Plumbers (5 years experience), Electricians (5 years experience), Diesel Mechanics (Degree Diesel Mechanics) Carpenters(4 years experience), Electronics Technician (Degree), Computer Information Systems (ATA-Degree) Information Systems Security (ATA) and Truck Drivers (CDL Class A with 3 or more years experience) can enlist through the New Zealand Embassy, Australian Embassy, Switzerland Embassy, or Taiwan Embassies. They'll give you citizenship at expense of your own US citizenship though.
What happened to the plumber and carpenter getting citizenship? Oh thats right they don't, they get a work permit. Oh and plumber and carpenter aren't on the list either, they want specialists.
What you fail to realize is the level of training a plumber, painter, carpenter, mechanic must go through to earn the title of plumber, carpenter etc... The vast majority of people here wouldn't meet those standards.
Also where's the free flight? I dont see that written down anywhere.
OK here's how it works.
One can serve in the NZDF as a resident of NZ. There is no requirement to give up your current citizenship, some positions may require a certain security clearance which is difficult to obtain with dual citizenship. The majority of those positions listed above by Draneol require a a CV vetting which is relatively easy to obtain, the majority of the ones on the website will require SV. To go from resident to citizen takes 5 years, service in the Military can fast track that to 3 years.
You will not be flown into the country, given a uniform and Bob's your uncle. You will still need to apply to reside in NZ and will have to through the assessment for that. Having skills desired by the Military will classify you as a skilled immigrant and makes this process easier. You will then go through the entry procedure to NZDF from there. They may offer to compensate you for travel costs in some cases, this may happen if your skill set is highly desired and they want to sweeten the deal.
There is no military to military transfer. You will give them the courses you have completed along with time in rank and time in service. They will then cross match those with NZDF courses and decided which are applicable and make you an offer normally with the provision that you complete certain courses within a time frame. We are very school orientated and there is a promotion course for every rank in the Infantry and be it TAD or
There is no shortage of drivers, there is a shortage of SNCO drivers who will be the dispatchers, fleet managers and driving instructors. Understand the difference, if you show up and say "Hi I'm jim-bob and I can drive trucks" the are going to say two things, "fuck" and "off".
I say all this knowing personally guys who have come through the process from the UK, Aus and Canada.
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Draneol, who the fuck are these "recruiters" that came through your university recruiting, are they from NZ companies, NZ universities or NZDF because I can tell you now with 100% certainty we are not sending NZDF recruiters out on a shopping trip in the USA.
One can serve in the NZDF as a resident of NZ. There is no requirement to give up your current citizenship, some positions may require a certain security clearance which is difficult to obtain with dual citizenship. The majority of those positions listed above by Draneol require a a CV vetting which is relatively easy to obtain, the majority of the ones on the website will require SV. To go from resident to citizen takes 5 years, service in the Military can fast track that to 3 years.
You will not be flown into the country, given a uniform and Bob's your uncle. You will still need to apply to reside in NZ and will have to through the assessment for that. Having skills desired by the Military will classify you as a skilled immigrant and makes this process easier. You will then go through the entry procedure to NZDF from there. They may offer to compensate you for travel costs in some cases, this may happen if your skill set is highly desired and they want to sweeten the deal.
There is no military to military transfer. You will give them the courses you have completed along with time in rank and time in service. They will then cross match those with NZDF courses and decided which are applicable and make you an offer normally with the provision that you complete certain courses within a time frame. We are very school orientated and there is a promotion course for every rank in the Infantry and be it TAD or
There is no shortage of drivers, there is a shortage of SNCO drivers who will be the dispatchers, fleet managers and driving instructors. Understand the difference, if you show up and say "Hi I'm jim-bob and I can drive trucks" the are going to say two things, "fuck" and "off".
I say all this knowing personally guys who have come through the process from the UK, Aus and Canada.
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Draneol, who the fuck are these "recruiters" that came through your university recruiting, are they from NZ companies, NZ universities or NZDF because I can tell you now with 100% certainty we are not sending NZDF recruiters out on a shopping trip in the USA.
I'm cracking up thinking about some Kiwi's walking around with a box of business cards and a shopping bag trying to pick up random ass creds from shitheads in college.
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I see what you did there. I didn't finish reading though because I'll keep it as a cure for insomnia.
@Freefalling ... BOOM! Goes the dynamite.
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So in six years, what is the job outlook of a broken horse cavalryman?
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Not good.
