Black mamba venom is 'better painkiller' than morphine

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A painkiller as powerful as morphine, but without most of the side-effects, has been found in the deadly venom of the black mamba, say French scientists. The predator, which uses neurotoxins to paralyse and kill small animals, is one of the fastest and most dangerous snakes in Africa. However, tests on mice, reported in the journal Nature, showed its venom also contained a potent painkiller.

They admit to being completely baffled about why the mamba would produce it. The researchers looked at venom from 50 species before they found the black mamba's pain-killing proteins - called mambalgins. Dr Eric Lingueglia, from the Institute of Molecular and Cellular Pharmacology near Nice, told the BBC: "When it was tested in mice, the analgesia was as strong as morphine, but you don't have most of the side-effects."

Morphine acts on the opioid pathway in the brain. It can cut pain, but it is also addictive and causes headaches, difficulty thinking, vomiting and muscle twitching. The researchers say mambalgins tackle pain through a completely different route, which should produce few side-effects. He said the way pain worked was very similar in mice and people, so he hoped to develop painkillers that could be used in the clinic. Tests on human cells in the laboratory have also showed the mambalgins have similar chemical effects in people.

But he added: "It is the very first stage, of course, and it is difficult to tell if it will be a painkiller in humans or not. A lot more work still needs to be done in animals." Dr Nicholas Casewell, an expert in snake venom at the Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine, has recently highlighted the potential of venom as a drug source. Commenting on this study he said: "It's very exciting, it's a really great example of drugs from venom, we're talking about an entirely new class of analgesics."

Dr Lingueglia said it was "really surprising" that black mamba venom would contain such a powerful painkiller. Dr Casewell agreed that it was "really, really odd". He suggested the analgesic effect may work in combination "with other toxins that prevent the prey from getting away" or may just affect different animals, such as birds, differently to mice.

I can't wait to see if they can confirm that this has similar effects on humans.
 
I worked in a wildlife place in Africa that had a Black Mamba. I was told that if bitten you have about 20min before your're done for and your breathing shuts down. The nearest hospital was 20min away and the nearest anti-venom in another country about several hours flight away.
SOP was race to the hospital, get put onto an iron lung to keep you alive until the venom could be flown in. Needless to say, I kept away from that snake lol
 
(If the new proteins suppresses the respiratory system as much as (or even slightly less than) morphine, I don't see any major pharmaceutical companies lining up to dump money into developing it, and as a result it becomes a footnote in the history of herpetology.

If the neural pathway it uses doesn't effect breathing however, you're looking at a whole new category of situations that morphine is contraindicated for, that we can give out something better than a few extra strength tylenol.

What I'm really curious about is why it just evolved in mambas and not other members of the elapidea family like cobras. Willing to bet it has something to do with a possible difference in diet.
 
Even with a slight respiratory side effect risk, if it's found to be non-addictive it could be used during rehab detox.
 
Moved the thread here for the medical geeks to tear through, me being one of them.


The nearest hospital was 20min away and the nearest anti-venom in another country about several hours flight away.
SOP was race to the hospital, get put onto an iron lung to keep you alive until the venom could be flown in. Needless to say, I kept away from that snake lol

I had this exact conversation a little bit ago. We basically landed on "If you get bit, and we can 110% know that it was a mamba, we are going to put you down (RSI/PAI) with a long acting paralytic (Rocuronium, anyone?) immediately, and keep you down during transport and hope to who the eff ever with the antivenin."
I can see this being a HAYOOG problem in the field. Simple race against time. I'd be interested in a couple other opinions on this one if you got one.

Moreover, even if the venom rock balls for pain, we have got to figure out how to synthesize it. There is no way we'd be able to milk mamba's all the livelong day. Well, unless we bred mamba's for science. Wait, isn't that the plot to "Snakes on a Plane"?!?
 
I had this exact conversation a little bit ago. We basically landed on...

This came up at KAF in '06 when our little slice of heaven began finding saw-scaled vipers in it, one in my office, but I digress...

We were told to drive to the other side of the airifield. I said I'd drive ACROSS the airfield. "You can't do that, that's illegal."
So is dying.
"Security Forces will shoot you."
If that's the case, it will be the first time they've shot anyone. Kudos to them.

The conversation went downhill from there, but even in my non-medical world, a snake bite in this portion of the planet isn't a "Well, it kills you in 20 minutes, so arriving at the hospital in 15 is good enough" proposition. The agreed upon SOP was to take perimter road around the base. :rolleyes:

Besides, the antivenin was out of date. I don't know how long that stuff is good for, but our medics all said what was on hand had expired.

Oh well, I had $5 on making it to the back door of the hospital before the AFSF were even awake, much less shooting at me.

At any rate....I don't know how many of you have ever taken morphine, but IF I were to become a junkie, I've found my drug of choice though the minor "respiratory seizure" you feel when it hits your system is a bit disconcerting...
 
Morphine sucks, much rather be in pain and have some ability to think and work, then be scratching like a crack head.

I am all about new Pain Killers, but I doubt I would sign up for a study with the use of Black Mamba Venom. I think I will stick OC's and bed rest...
 
This came up at KAF in '06 when our little slice of heaven began finding saw-scaled vipers in it, one in my office, but I digress...

We were told to drive to the other side of the airifield. I said I'd drive ACROSS the airfield. "You can't do that, that's illegal."
So is dying.
"Security Forces will shoot you."
If that's the case, it will be the first time they've shot anyone. Kudos to them.

The conversation went downhill from there, but even in my non-medical world, a snake bite in this portion of the planet isn't a "Well, it kills you in 20 minutes, so arriving at the hospital in 15 is good enough" proposition. The agreed upon SOP was to take perimter road around the base. :rolleyes:

Besides, the antivenin was out of date. I don't know how long that stuff is good for, but our medics all said what was on hand had expired.

Oh well, I had $5 on making it to the back door of the hospital before the AFSF were even awake, much less shooting at me.

At any rate....I don't know how many of you have ever taken morphine, but IF I were to become a junkie, I've found my drug of choice though the minor "respiratory seizure" you feel when it hits your system is a bit disconcerting...
The bold caused me to LOL. :ROFLMAO:
 
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