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Good morning. I am looking for any information regarding my Uncle PFC Lonnie Furr. I know he was killed during a night maneuver on September 21st 1981. I'm looking for anyone who possibly has pictures of him from their time in the service. Please let me know! Thanks so much for your help and thank you all for your service
 
Good morning. I am looking for any information regarding my Uncle PFC Lonnie Furr. I know he was killed during a night maneuver on September 21st 1981. I'm looking for anyone who possibly has pictures of him from their time in the service. Please let me know! Thanks so much for your help and thank you all for your service
Welcome to the forum. I am sorry for the loss of your uncle. He was referenced in this thread : 2nd Battalion (Ranger) 75th Infantry, Indian Springs, Nevada

I've bumped that thread for you and referenced this intro. Hopefully one of the many Rangers on the site can assist you.
 
Good morning. I am looking for any information regarding my Uncle PFC Lonnie Furr. I know he was killed during a night maneuver on September 21st 1981. I'm looking for anyone who possibly has pictures of him from their time in the service. Please let me know! Thanks so much for your help and thank you all for your service
Sara:

Sara: I was on the plane that night. Most of us were with A Company, 2/75 Ranger. Some of the Battalion HQ was in the forward part of the aircraft. The C-130 set down short of the runway. We took a couple of hard bounces, then skidded and the plane began to come apart. Incredibly enough, most of us got out alive.

I am sorry for the loss of your Uncle. I was relatively new in 2nd Batt, at the time, and did not know him personally. He gave his life for his country.

JP
A/2/75
 
Good morning. I am looking for any information regarding my Uncle PFC Lonnie Furr. I know he was killed during a night maneuver on September 21st 1981. I'm looking for anyone who possibly has pictures of him from their time in the service. Please let me know! Thanks so much for your help and thank you all for your service
Put a picture and military file in your private message inbox.
 
Put a picture and military file in your private message inbox.
OP has not logged on in several years. Let’s see if your quote and PM trigger a response if she had that set up in settings.

Her username is unique enough that if she does not respond in a couple of days, I’ll track her down on the Internet and point her back to the website.
 
OP has not logged on in several years. Let’s see if your quote and PM trigger a response if she had that set up in settings.

Her username is unique enough that if she does not respond in a couple of days, I’ll track her down on the Internet and point her back to the website.
I saw that. I was hoping the same. The picture is not in military uniform but it was the only image of him, in person, I could find.
@Gunz I found that article as well. Terrible situation. The pilot was told he was short by a long stretch and didn't believe it.
 
I have the investigation paperwork from this crash. In the interests of history, since it involves Special Operations, I'm going to post some of the details of those documents here. I am not posting names. (@Ooh-Rah this is unclassified material. I'll leave it up to you to decide if it belongs in the Ranger, 160th SOAR or History threads etc.)


History of Flight/Narrative, Findings, crash of C-130H tail #74-1672, 21 September, 1981.

This was a Tactical Assault SOLL II landing [Special Operations Low Level] involving an Airborne Radar Approach to Indian Springs Air Force Auxillary Field, Nevada in support of a Joint Training Exercise.

The aircraft, callsign "SING 35" departed Fairchild AFB, Washington, at 0338Z as number five in a two minutes intrail formation. The flight was to terminate with an airborne radar approach to Indian Springs AFAF with the pilot using night vision goggles for landing zone acquisition and landing. The high and low portions of the mission to the pre-initial point [PIP] were uneventful. Descent was initiated at approximately five miles to go at an initial rate of 1500 FPM to intercept the planned glide path from above. The descent rate was decreased to 800-1000 FPM just prior to the pilot in the right seat transferring control of the aircraft to the pilot in the left seat.

The aircraft touched down 5360 feet short of runway 08, nose gear first, left main gear, right main gear. The aircraft became airborne again and then touched down a second time, nose gear first, right main gear, left main gear. The nose gear was damaged on initial impact and failed on the second impact. The aircraft slid forward on its nose gear and main gear, making a slight left correction, then entered a left yaw, right skid, failing its main gear. As the aircraft came to a stop the right wing impacted the ground and the number three and four propellers separated. The aircraft came to a rest 1555 feet from initial touchdown, 114 degrees to the left of runway heading. The aircraft caught fire on the outboard section of the right wing and became enveloped in fire and exploded approximately 17 minutes after touchdown.

Prior to explosion, ten crew members and 51 US Army personnel egressed the aircraft. Seven passengers were fatalities. The aircraft was destroyed by post-mishap fire and explosion.

Causes:

--The aircraft commander and co-pilot were wearing night vision goggles which restrict field of vision and depth perception and did not have visual cues to see the ground.

--The initial training program was deficient in the safety pilot's responsibilities and the use, capabilities and limitations of NVGs.

--The aircrew failed to update or calibrate their pressure altimeter for the approach, so the aircraft was 110 to 190 feet lower than indicated.

--The transfer of aircraft control at a critical phase of the approach exceeded the pilot's capability and proficiency.

--The aircrew was not proficient in SOLL II operations.

--Supervisors did not ensure the aircrew was proficient in SOLL II operations.

--Aircrew failed to give one minute brace-for-impact warning.


The report goes on to state that the fire spread due to consumption of small arms ammunition, M-131 flares, 40mm flares and Pen gun flares.

I hope this information doesn't trigger stress issues with survivors or relatives of the deceased. If so I will request it to be moved to a covert thread or deleted.
 
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I have the investigation paperwork from this crash. In the interests of history, since it involves Special Operations, I'm going to post some of the details of those documents here. I am not posting names. (@Ooh-Rah this is unclassified material. I'll leave it up to you to decide if it belongs in the Ranger, 160th SOAR or History threads etc.)

History of Flight/Narrative, Findings, crash of C-130H tail #74-1672, 21 September, 1981.

This was a Tactical Assault SOLL II landing [Special Operations Low Level] involving an Airborne Radar Approach to Indian Springs Air Force Auxillary Field, Nevada in support of a Joint Training Exercise.

The aircraft, callsign "SING 35" departed Fairchild AFB, Washington, at 0338Z as number five in a two minutes intrail formation. The flight was to terminate with an airborne radar approach to Indian Springs AFAF with the pilot using night vision goggles for landing zone acquisition and landing. The high and low portions of the mission to the pre-initial point [PIP] were uneventful. Descent was initiated at approximately five miles to go at an initial rate of 1500 FPM to intercept the planned glide path from above. The descent rate was decreased to 800-1000 FPM just prior to the pilot in the right seat transferring control of the aircraft to the pilot in the left seat.

The aircraft touched down 5360 feet short of runway 08, nose gear first, left main gear, right main gear. The aircraft became airborne again and then touched down a second time, nose gear first, right main gear, left main gear. The nose gear was damaged on initial impact and failed on the second impact. The aircraft slid forward on its nose gear and main gear, making a slight left correction, then entered a left yaw, right skid, failing its main gear. As the aircraft came to a stop the right wing impacted the ground and the number three and four propellers separated. The aircraft came to a rest 1555 feet from initial touchdown, 114 degrees to the left of runway heading. The aircraft caught fire on the outboard section of the right wing and became enveloped in fire and exploded approximately 17 minutes after touchdown.

Prior to explosion, ten crew members and 51 US Army personnel egressed the aircraft. Seven passengers were fatalities. The aircraft was destroyed by post-mishap fire and explosion.

Causes:

--The aircraft commander and co-pilot were wearing night vision goggles which restrict field of vision and depth perception and did not have visual cues to see the ground.

--The initial training program was deficient in the safety pilot's responsibilities and the use, capabilities and limitations of NVGs.

--The aircrew failed to update or calibrate their pressure altimeter for the approach, so the aircraft was 110 to 190 feet lower than indicated.

--The transfer of aircraft control at a critical phase of the approach exceeded the pilot's capability and proficiency.

--The aircrew was not proficient in SOLL II operations.

--Supervisors did not ensure the aircrew was proficient in SOLL II operations.

--Aircrew failed to give one minute brace-for-impact warning.
One of the fixes was moving the entire SOLL program to Pope AFB. This allowed a standard training syllabus to develop.
 
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