Iraq and ISIS Discussion

[BloodStripe]

http://abcnews.go.com/International...s-feel-abandoned-kobani-battle-rages-26185761

Feeling abandoned has got to be one of the worst metal emotions when waging war.

 

[Gunz]

I thought Kobani had fallen? :-/

I guess the BBC report was a bit premature.

 

[Gunz]

http://abcnews.go.com/International...s-feel-abandoned-kobani-battle-rages-26185761

Feeling abandoned has got to be one of the worst metal emotions when waging war.

Gee, we'd like to help, but...we're up here...and they're down there...

 

[BloodStripe]

https://news.vice.com/video/kurds-l...-border-wars-dispatch-1?utm_source=vicenewsfb

 

[pardus]

Seems that the Turks want the Kurds to be wiped out in Kobani.

 

[AWP]

Seems that the Turks want the Kurds to be wiped out in Kobani.

People forget that the Turks REALLY hate the Kurds so any Turkish "intervention" needs to be framed with that belief in mind. "Beware strangers bearing gifts" and all that....

 

[BloodStripe]

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/syrian...at-u-s-holocaust-museum-1413231477-slideshow/ WARNING: NSFW

 

[BloodStripe]

Turkey is now in a bombing campaign. ..http://www.funker530.com/as-kurds-battle-it-out-with-isis-turkey-gets-involved-and-bombs-the-kurds/

 

[racing_kitty]

Turkey's actions now are giving me a wicked sense of 2003-style deja vù (sure, you can use a base here.... on second thought, no you can't). The Turks are willing to allow ISIS to destroy the Kurds all the way up to the Turkish border, and even lend a hand, as we are seeing now.

What I'm not sure about it how confident Erdogan is about ISIS stopping at the Turkish border. Does he think they'll stop with Iraq and Syria? Does he have a plan to cooperate with them if they should come into Turkey? What is his ability to hold on to his position if ISIS has a different idea regarding who's going to be in charge of Turkey? I don't know enough to make those speculations, but I'm damned sure interested in seeing how this is going to play out.

I wish I could be optimistic about the Kurd's chances, but I can't afford that much dope.

 

[BloodStripe]

When ISIS enters Turkey, we are doomed to commit ground troops.

 

[racing_kitty]

When ISIS enters Turkey, I'll be content to watch their world burn, while shoring up defenses to contain them there.


Oh, who am I kidding? All the other nations would look at me like Chicken Little on meth for that.

 

[Marine0311]

When ISIS enters Turkey, we are doomed to commit ground troops.

I hope and pray you are wrong brother.

 

[Marauder06]

Turkey has Article 5 of NATO to fall back on if ISIS crosses into Turkey... which I don't think they'll do.

The border in that area appears to be both well-marked and well-guarded. I think ISIS knows it will get a spanking for the highly capable (by regional standards) Turkish army, and will find an excuse to not crosss them. Meanwhile Turkey is quite happy to have ISIS carry out ethnic cleansing against those pesky Kurds, while simultaneously threatening to topple the Assad regime, which Turkey also doesn't like. The Turks are also getting some credibility by standing up to "the man" and telling the US to piss off...

 

[AWP]

Mad props to Turkey for turning this into a "win" for them. Doesn't mean I like it or think they don't deserve an ass beating, but...well done. Assholes.

 

[racing_kitty]

[Soup Nazi Voice] No NATO for you! [/Soup Nazi Voice]

 

[DA SWO]

[Soup Nazi Voice] No NATO for you! [/Soup Nazi Voice]

Wrong, Turkey already invoked Art V. and we have two Patriot Batteries in Turkey as a result.
Obama should tell the Turks to assist us, or we will remove our Patriot Batteries.

 

[racing_kitty]

Obama should tell the Turks to assist us, or we will remove our Patriot Batteries.

Which comes down to [Soup Nazi Voice] No NATO for you! [/Soup Nazi Voice]

But we know that won't happen, ever.

 

[BloodStripe]

Wrong, Turkey already invoked Art V. and we have two Patriot Batteries in Turkey as a result.
Obama should tell the Turks to assist us, or we will remove our Patriot Batteries.

One small problem...

our POTUS has none.

 

[pardus]

Fuck Turkey, they've gone downhill a lot in recent times after electing the Islamists to power. Ataturk must be rolling in his grave.

 

[Gunz]

Area envisioned by Islamic State. But who's to say they'd stop there?

Kurds watching Turkish tanks north of Kobani. Beware of turrets doing 180s.