Iraq and ISIS Discussion

[Frank S.]

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Took this off of SAWMAN's facebook, paints the picture pretty clear for the naysayers on stopping these refugees from coming in.

And I don't mean to sound catty, but that's a hell of a thigh gap on the motherfucker...

 

[Diamondback 2/2]

And I don't mean to sound catty, but that's a hell of a thigh gap on the motherfucker...

Nevermind the head the dude is holding, what's up with those thighs...you're a strange bird Frank.

 

[Tbone]

This is clearly the work of Allah granting him such a gap....women take note!!!

 

[Red Flag 1]

Nevermind the head the dude is holding, what's up with those thighs...you're a strange bird Frank.

Frank misses nothing!!

 

[Red-Dot]

ISIS, doesn't control the dam, the Iraqi forces have already secured it. ISIS does however, control a few oil wells, and those should be secured IMO. Geographically its a bit difficult without deploying large amounts of forces on the ground, with follow on support and opening up lines of communication (I.e. secure traveling routes for resupply and transport of oil). It would take a lot of troops and would cost alot of lives and equipment.

ISIS, is not necessarily providing an infrastructure to local populations, they are bringing a government structure that is inline with that areas tribal and religious belief's.

The only way to make ISIS look as the bad option would be to make those areas somewhat autonyms government regions or allow them to break away from Iraq/Syrian governments and form their own government and or state. Iraq and Syria will most likely not do this, due to the oil rich areas and nationality. It would be like Texas saying we no longer want to be part of the US, so we're breaking away and keeping all our oil, just ain't gonna fly.

Going forward, those area's as Freefalling alluded to, will have to become tired of ISIS and seek outside help in overthrowing and removing ISIS (Your classic SF mission).

The kill them all, or at least kill them there instead of here strategy, is a counterterrorism strategy. No, we cannot kill every single ISIS fighter, but we can kill as much of them as possible, and make it undesirable to join and or continue fighting for ISIS. Keep them busy there vs giving them time and space to plan and attack here.

Another option is a scorched earth, where we just destroy everything and everyone (this will probably be the Russian strategy) and although it will work in many aspects, the residuals effect's will be a follow on generation that will have a deep burning hate for the west/russia and the cycle will continue down the road.

The last option is genocide, kill their children's, children's, children. Remove that particular sect of Islam from humanity permanently. I imagine at some point the world as a whole will have to come to terms with this and accept it, if we want to move forward and out of the Islamic Terrorism age.

So no there really are no good options or golden bb options in dealing with this problem. If there was, we would've done it long ago.

Total war with ISIS will never happen. The triad of support (political, society and economy) will never happen. The Fickle American public would never support such a move let alone our impotent POTUS.

 

[Diamondback 2/2]

Total war with ISIS will never happen. The triad of support (political, society and economy) will never happen. The Fickle American public would never support such a move let alone our impotent POTUS.

I agree its not feasible currently, but after a few serious attacks here in the states, I think the attitude may possibly change. Maybe wishful thinking on my part, but I'm not looking forward to life style were a terror attack is common...

 

[Gunz]

I agree its not feasible currently, but after a few serious attacks here in the states, I think the attitude may possibly change...

National anger is a powerful but fickle motivation. It tends to wane fairly quickly once American casualties start mounting; and once the media starts exploiting the personal stories of the wounded and maimed or the plight of our collateral casualties. The American public can be swayed by the media and the media tends to be swayed by the propaganda of our enemies.

Any large force or coalition of forces that go in on the ground will inherit either the spoils or the curse of what comes after. They get to call the shots in the AO once ISIL is broken up and removed from it's position of authority; but they may inherit a long-term guerrilla campaign by ISIL's remnants. Personally, I think it's a risk worth taking to go in and ice these sadistic fucks face to face...but none of the Western leaders seem to feel that way. Even the French reaction to the Paris attacks--a promise to ramp-up air strikes--seems weak.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Apparently the Chinese missed the memo that Flame Throwers are a no-no -

While I certainly appreciate their creative initiative to killing weeds, being that it is China I am left with the nagging question of, were they really burning up ISIS terrorists, or just a group that China is not liking these days, and saying it's ISIS is an easy way to keep them out of trouble.

Chinese special forces use FLAMETHROWER to kill 'Islamist terrorists'

 

[AWP]

Even the French reaction to the Paris attacks--a promise to ramp-up air strikes--seems weak.

Our air war's a sham. The French launching strikes is great because prior to that they weren't doing much anyway. It plays well, is good PR, and they only need to sustain it for a week or so until the public furor dies out.

See also: Jordan, Turkey, and the UAE (though the latter is operating in Yemen, so that's something).

 

[Frank S.]

were they really burning up ISIS terrorists, or just a group that China is not liking these days, and saying it's ISIS is an easy way to keep them out of trouble.

Chinese special forces use FLAMETHROWER to kill 'Islamist terrorists'

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Medics and members with forensics experience may chime in, but I'm pretty sure you could determine the bodies were those of terrorists by measuring the thigh gap.
It is apparently apparently developed following years of abhorrent sexual practices involving large mammals, Tonka (TM) trucks and boom boxes.

 

[Frank S.]

Not to mention that dreadful business they do with stinky-slinkies in RV parks.

 

[Diamondback 2/2]

Medics and members with forensics experience may chime in, but I'm pretty sure you could determine the bodies were those of terrorists by measuring the thigh gap.
It is apparently apparently developed following years of abhorrent sexual practices involving large mammals, Tonka (TM) trucks and boom boxes.

The thigh gap, may be from a result of the donkey getting tired of taking it and in return giving it.

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[Devildoc]

The Russians have been violating Turkish Airspace since they arrived, essentially giving Turkey the middle finger.
The Turks got lucky and had planes available, in the right spot to do something this time.

I want shoot down details though, Sidewinder missiles would be my first bet.

I am Finnish, and there are few countries that hate everyone as much as the Finns, and one of them is Turkey. I agree....I think the Turks were just waiting for this to happen....they don't like Russia and all of that activity pisses Turkey off.

I also saw that pro-US rebels, using US-supplied weapons, shot down a Russian helo. I am starting to get real curious as to how this is going going to play out.

 

[x SF med]

I am Finnish, and there are few countries that hate everyone as much as the Finns, and one of them is Turkey. I agree....I think the Turks were just waiting for this to happen....they don't like Russia and all of that activity pisses Turkey off.

I also saw that pro-US rebels, using US-supplied weapons, shot down a Russian helo. I am starting to get real curious as to how this is going going to play out.

Yeah, but Finland has produced guys like Lauri Torni (Larry Thorne)... they're allowed to be pissed at the world. Sorry the link is to Wikipedia, but it's the only reference with his German Valor medals.

 

[DA SWO]

I am Finnish, and there are few countries that hate everyone as much as the Finns, and one of them is Turkey. I agree....I think the Turks were just waiting for this to happen....they don't like Russia and all of that activity pisses Turkey off.

I also saw that pro-US rebels, using US-supplied weapons, shot down a Russian helo. I am starting to get real curious as to how this is going going to play out.

Bold face part: You must have seen a different video than I, as the video I saw showed a helicopter on the ground, rotors stopped getting destroyed.

 

[Devildoc]

Bold face part: You must have seen a different video than I, as the video I saw showed a helicopter on the ground, rotors stopped getting destroyed.

Read it, did not see it. So not surprised that different media reporting different things.

 

[Devildoc]

Yeah, but Finland has produced guys like Lauri Torni (Larry Thorne)... they're allowed to be pissed at the world. Sorry the link is to Wikipedia, but it's the only reference with his German Valor medals.

Yeah, no doubt. He is well-known and well-respected. Finland also produced Simo Haya, another with a hard-on against the Russians.

 

[Brill]

Regarding whether this is a religious war, how much do you know about the khawarij? Sound like anyone we know?

 

[x SF med]

Regarding whether this is a religious war, how much do you know about the khawarij? Sound like anyone we know?

The internecine wars among the Isalmic sects is only overshadowed by the inter and intratribal wars in the Middle East... It makes the warfare among the intercity gangs in the US look tame and amateurish.

 

[Brill]

The internecine wars among the Isalmic sects is only overshadowed by the inter and intratribal wars in the Middle East... It makes the warfare among the intercity gangs in the US look tame and amateurish.

Exactly my point!!!!!

MISO should exploit these divisions and CREATE another fitna! If we cannot convince the "elected" leaders of Muslim countries to counter the IS, then maybe the clerics will issue fatwas and declare jihad on IS.

The Decline Of The Khawarij
This group came into existence towards the end of the fourth decade of the first century of the Hijrah as the result of a dangerous piece of misrepresentation, and before one and half centuries were over, as the result of hysterical temerity and recklessness, they became the object of pursuance by the caliphs, which ended up with their own, and their sect's, annihilation and extermination, and at the beginning of the `Abbasid rule they had become totally non-existent.

It was their relentless and spiritless logic, the severity and harshness of their behavior, the incompatibility of their ways with real life, and, ultimately, their impetuosity (which even did away taqiyah [dissimulation]1 in its true and reasonable sense) which caused their ruin and destruction. The Khawarij sect was not one which could in any real sense survive, but its after-effect has remained; the thinking and beliefs of Khawarij have had an effect on the rest of the sects of Islam. Even today, "Nahrawanis" are to be found in abundance, and, just as in the age and time of 'Ali, these are the most dangerous of Islam's internal enemies. Just as there always have been and always will be Mu'awiyahs and `Amr ibn al-`As's, who will use the existence of the "Nahrawanis" when the time is opportune, even if they are counted as their enemies.