Iraq and ISIS Discussion

Exactly my point!!!!!

MISO should exploit these divisions and CREATE another fitna! If we cannot convince the "elected" leaders of Muslim countries to counter the IS, then maybe the clerics will issue fatwas and declare jihad on IS.

The Decline Of The Khawarij
This group came into existence towards the end of the fourth decade of the first century of the Hijrah as the result of a dangerous piece of misrepresentation, and before one and half centuries were over, as the result of hysterical temerity and recklessness, they became the object of pursuance by the caliphs, which ended up with their own, and their sect's, annihilation and extermination, and at the beginning of the `Abbasid rule they had become totally non-existent.

It was their relentless and spiritless logic, the severity and harshness of their behavior, the incompatibility of their ways with real life, and, ultimately, their impetuosity (which even did away taqiyah [dissimulation]1 in its true and reasonable sense) which caused their ruin and destruction. The Khawarij sect was not one which could in any real sense survive, but its after-effect has remained; the thinking and beliefs of Khawarij have had an effect on the rest of the sects of Islam. Even today, "Nahrawanis" are to be found in abundance, and, just as in the age and time of 'Ali, these are the most dangerous of Islam's internal enemies. Just as there always have been and always will be Mu'awiyahs and `Amr ibn al-`As's, who will use the existence of the "Nahrawanis" when the time is opportune, even if they are counted as their enemies.


I have little hope that after 8 centuries of killing each other because of different interpretations of the Koran that Muslims will suddenly become united in the fight against a sect that clearly scares the shit out of them. The millions of so-called "moderate" Muslims are too busy bitching about discrimination to do what they really need to do...and that is raise their voices in an earth-shattering global condemnation against the atrocities of their uncontrolled elements.
 
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This gon' get interesting.

Iraqi army warns of imminent assault on IS-held Ramadi


Iraqi army warns of imminent assault on IS-held Ramadi - BBC News

A security source told the BBC leaflets had been dropped by planes, warning residents the army planned to storm the city within the next 24 hours.

However, a spokesperson for Ramadi residents called on the government to postpone the offensive. The spokesperson said thousands of families were being held by IS militants, who had set up checkpoints and threatened to kill anyone who attempted to leave. The US military believes there are between 600 and 1,000 IS militants in Ramadi. It says they have developed a strong defensive system in and around the city, including using improvised explosive devices (IEDs) to create minefields.
 
Everyone in the city isn't a combatant.

So what, you're going to have to PID threats as you assault anyway. There are always non-combatants, but telling the enemy when you're going to assault is just retarded. "Surprise, Speed, Violence of action" kinda tossing the whole "surprise" bit out and making the speed and violence of action bit incredibly more difficult. $.02
 
So what, you're going to have to PID threats as you assault anyway. There are always non-combatants, but telling the enemy when you're going to assault is just retarded. "Surprise, Speed, Violence of action" kinda tossing the whole "surprise" bit out and making the speed and violence of action bit incredibly more difficult. $.02

I feel like if I was trying to take back a city in my own country, I would want to kill as few of my own citizens as possible.
 
The city's probably a fortress by now and civilians are all over the place, including hostages. Still, I wouldn't broadcast my intentions. You gain nothing, or very little, while giving your adversary another 24 hours to "make a list and check it twice."

Better for him to wake up and look across the Channel at hundreds of ships than shout "Ready or not, here I come."
 
We've already established that Daesh's idea of diplomatic negotiations is "Convert or die," so it's not unreasonable to rule out a diplomatic response to the possibility of families being held hostage in Ramadi. That being said, do you simply let them have it, and pick them off as they leave town, let them keep that godforsaken city, or go in for the fight and do your best to not kill the hostages? Besides, there's just as much of a chance that any Daesh fighter will kill his hostages before any opponent actually engages him, anyway.

On another note, it looks like the Kurds are torturing their Daesh prisoners. It's my understanding that neither the Peshmerga nor Daesh are recognized as states, and aren't subject to the Geneva Convention (especially considering they aren't signatories). Personally, I say let the Peshmerga have it it. They led the raid that resulted in the capture, we never turned anyone over to anybody. Don't let our inherent imperialism interfere with their understanding of justice.
 
However, a spokesperson for Ramadi residents called on the government to postpone the offensive. The spokesperson said thousands of families were being held by IS militants, who had set up checkpoints and threatened to kill anyone who attempted to leave. The US military believes there are between 600 and 1,000 IS militants in Ramadi. It says they have developed a strong defensive system in and around the city, including using improvised explosive devices (IEDs) to create minefields.


It doesn't matter whether or not they give advance warning, it's gonna be a bloodbath either way. If it's true that they hold "thousands of families" and intend to begin executing them when the shooting starts, whether they've had a week's notice or five minutes won't make much difference to the people getting shot. If this is the case the "friendlies" won't have to worry about collateral casualties because Daesh will see to it that there are scores of them. And they can always blame those deaths on the assault force.

I'm assuming the "spokesperson" isn't saying a god damn thing without the approval of Daesh. Obviously postponement benefits the defenders and gives them time to improve their positions...but it sounds like they've already rigged things up pretty tight.
 
Out of curiosity I compared this flight with Air France Flight 447. This one is an Airbus 321 and 447 was an A330. Wikipedia has a solid* write-up of 447's demise and if you're bored you can look it up.
Air France Flight 447 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Using the CNN article and its referenced Flightradar24 you'll see some similarities:
Russian plane crash in Egypt: 'External influence' blamed - CNN.com
Crash of Metrojet Flight 7K9268 | Flightradar24 Blog

Varying airspeeds, rapid final descent, rapid changes in airspeed and altitude, no mayday call, and Airbus has a history of pitot tube failures on A330's. The Russians can squawk all they want, but I'll remain skeptical of "external" events until more data is provided.

Final report on 447:
http://www.bea.aero/docspa/2009/f-cp090601.en/pdf/f-cp090601.en.pdf

* - Yeah, this is Wikipedia but I'm citing info found in the official BEA report. Wikipedia makes it a LOT easier to digest.
This is off topic from this thread (mods please move/remove as needed) but, in reference to the post above, this may be of interest to some here:
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Komite Nasional Keselamatan Transportasi (KNKT), Indonesia's version of the NTSB, released their final accident report today for Indonesia AirAsia Flight 8501. This flight crashed into the Java Sea last year, killing all 155 passengers and seven crew on board. Similar to Air France Flight 447, KNKT found this flight, an A320, ultimately entered a stall at 38,500 ft and the aircrew was unable to recover.

KNKT Final Accident Report said:
At 2317:41 UTC the aircraft reached the highest ISIS altitude of 38,500 feet and the largest roll angle of 104° to the left. The aircraft then lost altitude with a descent rate of up to 20,000 feet per minute.


At approximately 29,000 feet the aircraft attitude was wings level with pitch and roll angles of approximately zero with the airspeed varied between 100 and 160 knots. The Angle of Attack (AOA)5 was almost constant at approximately 40° up and the stall warning continued until the end of recording. The aircraft then lost altitude with an average rate of 12,000 feet per minute until the end of the recording.
 
CJCS General Dunford: We have not contained ISIL currently.

But, but...the President said they were contained! :rolleyes:

Top military officer contradicts Obama, says ISIS not 'contained' | Fox News

It is a good thing we aren't putting boots on the ground or expanding our role, other things we were promised. Or that red line which couldn't be crossed. Or...man, when is someone from the administration going to tell the truth?

At the Tuesday hearing, Defense Secretary Ash Carter also announced that the U.S. will send special ops forces to Syria while expanding its special ops presence in Iraq, to bolster the fight against ISIS.

Carter described the expansion in Iraq as a “specialized expeditionary targeting force.”

He said these special operators will be able to conduct raids, free hostages, gather intelligence and capture ISIS leaders. He did not offer troop numbers, but said it was being done in cooperation with the Iraqi government.

To quote Winnie the Pooh, "Oh, bother."
 
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