Iraq and ISIS Discussion

Mmmmm, I love the taste of a pissing contest when it comes to learning as much as I can about a conflict. Tastes like vinegar with a victory label slapped on the bottle.

Not much of a pissing contest. I'm more than happy to continue the conversation on a more appropriate network where we can talk facts and not speculation.
 
Meanwhile, back in the pit of despair...
Video shows slaying of British aid worker
By ZEINA KARAM and SYLVIA HUI

BEIRUT (AP) — Islamic State extremists released a video showing the beheading of British aid worker David Haines, who was abducted in Syria last year, and British Prime Minister David Cameron late Saturday condemned his slaying as "an act of pure evil."

Cameron confirmed Haines' death in a statement posted on his official Twitter account after the British Foreign Office had said earlier that it was "working urgently to verify the video." Haines is the third Westerner beheaded in recent weeks by the Islamic State group, which has seized vast swaths of territory in Syria and Iraq.
Probably NSFW. Didn't watch, just read the article.
http://news.yahoo.com/video-purports-show-british-aid-worker-slain-224037242.html
 
To highlight the AQI/JTJ-IS/ISIL link, the flag of IS was used by JTJ under Zarqawi, although not very often. There's actually a picture of Zarqawi with what s now known as the IS flag.

If you look at this flag, which is the old JTJ/AQI flag, the top text says, 'The only god is allah, mohammed, prophet, allah.' The yellow text reads, 'group of monotheism and jihad,' which is what JTJ stands for- jameya(t) al towhid wa al jihad.

'The only god is allah,' is the text across the top of the IS flag, 'mohammed, prophet, allah,' is what it says within the circle of the IS flag.

And there's your redneck Arabic lesson for the day.

So in summary- we've fought IS before, they are a known entity, AQI/JTJ was never defeated, here we go again. Lets stop doing the same thing we did last time expecting different results.
 
First line is just the first pillar called the shehada. "No god but God and Muhammad is the messenger of God."
You'll find that in most Islamic related flags. ie Boko Haram, hamas, Saudi Arabia, al shabaab, etc.. and some are identical. Any similarities are just in the overall jihad movement, not necessarily the same as any one them.

Second part is more or less that.. too much wikipedia and Google translate for my taste. I always have to deal with bad translations in the IC and having a Bachelor's in Arabic language and Middle Eastern culture just makes me ping sometimes. Monotheism is a pretty bad translation and interpretation of tahwid. It's more of the oneness of God, not that there's just one God. No biggie..

As far as them being the same as before, especially because of their flag, is incredibly naive. Combination of JRTN, the AQI that you like to bring up, a large group of foreign fighters, and a lot of Syrian fighters makes them much more than JTJ/AQI. It's a simplification that doesn't acknowledge the training and equipment that they have now from. Can't forget the 20k-35k people that the CIA claims is in it too..
 
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http://news.yahoo.com/college-students-sign-petition-support-isis-9-11-210206503.html

I hate my generation.

Multiple college students signed a petition to support the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) last week.

Media Research Center TV reporter Dan Joseph went to the campus of George Washington University on Thursday, Sept. 11, and collected a dozen signatures from students on a petition to President Barack Obama to not only stop bombing ISIS, but also actively support the terrorist group. ISIS has beheaded two American journalists, James Foley and Steven Sotloff.

By supporting ISIS instead of bombing them we think we can avoid war,” Joseph explains to one signee in the video. ”And uh, you know, they’re just like just like us — only with slightly more beheadings.”

“Oh they’re the ones that kept beheading us?” the student said before signing the petition.

“Every religion has their moments,” explained one girl who signed the petition. “I mean, come on, we can — don’t even get me started where the Christians used to, uh, what they did to the non-believers once upon a time.”

To their credit, a few students were outraged by the petition.

“What the fuck?” one student said. “People are [expletives].” Asked why he thinks some students signed the petition, he said it’s because “they don’t watch the news and they vote uneducated that’s why.”

“For you to stand out here and do that, when they beheaded two americans on live TV, that’s fucking disgraceful!” another student said. “You should be ashamed to call yourself, to even live in this country.”

“At least some people get it,” Joseph remarks, but later concludes. “We’re screwed America.”
 
I hate my generation.

You can always find clusters of twisted dipshits on college campuses. You have to remind yourself that for every fucktard POS loser out there who goes out of his/her way to disgrace our country, our flag and our military, there are three or four kids who are smart, decent and respectful.
 
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...These clowns are no different. They want attention.

Yep...they are like waves tossed to and fro on the sea...forever looking for the "cause of the week" to put their energy into. The only problem is...they usually don't know the truth behind their cause...they simply follow the herd.
 
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