Iraq and ISIS Discussion

[Totentanz]

Isn't that an Iranian Website?

They just announced another 1500 troops (effectively doubling the size).

The Iranian press is exceedingly renowned for their accuracy in reporting... [/sarc]

 

[Kraut783]

OOOOPS....yeah F'd up there, one of those days, glad it's friday

how about 1500 in a "non combat role"

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/07/politics/obama-sends-troops-to-iraq/index.html

 

[Brill]

OOOOPS....yeah F'd up there, one of those days, glad it's friday

how about 1500 in a "non combat role"

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/07/politics/obama-sends-troops-to-iraq/index.html

Notice how the mantra "I inherited this war from Bush" has completely died down. What's the little general going to do when we need to send air power and advisors to shore up Afghan security forces?

The big loser here is the other COCOM commanders who expected the post-Afghan assets to secure their AORs.

"We don't have an anti-ISIL strategy yet." No shit.

 

[Gunz]

Notice how the mantra "I inherited this war from Bush" has completely died down. What's the little general going to do when we need to send air power and advisors to shore up Afghan security forces?

The big loser here is the other COCOM commanders who expected the post-Afghan assets to secure their AORs.

"We don't have an anti-ISIL strategy yet." No shit.

I dunno...it seemed fitting, somehow

 

[Brill]

The "war" against ISIL is now illegal? Guess the EO on immigration is back burner now?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/10/politics/rand-paul-isis/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/11/10/obama-s-isis-war-is-illegal.html

From Rand Paul:

"Yale Professor Bruce Ackerman puts it succinctly: “The war against the Islamic State is now illegal. The War Powers Resolution of 1973 gave President Obama 60 days to gain consent from Congress and required him to end ‘hostilities’ within 30 days if he failed to do so. This 90-day clock expired this week.” And yet, there’s been no consent, and no end to the fighting.

I believe the president must come to Congress to begin a war. I also believe the War Powers Act is misunderstood; President Obama acted without true constitutional authority even before the 90 days expired, since we were not under attack at that time.

But in either case, this war is now illegal. It must be declared and made valid, or it must be ended.

Congress has a duty to act, one way or the other.

Taking military action against ISIS is justified. The president acting without Congress is not."

 

[pardus]

Congress has a duty to act, one way or the other.

Good luck with that!

 

[Grunt]

...Congress has a duty to act, one way or the other...

Brother, you are absolutely correct in your assertion, but many times "inaction" is their action.

But again, I am in agreement with you...I just don't hold my breath waiting for them anymore.

 

[Blizzard]

Saw this today and it actually pisses me off:

How about they (so called Muslim leaders) go to the news and start asking ISIS, al-Shabab, and other Muslim extremists to do the same? The fact is that Minneapolis is proving itself as an apparent recruiting hot bed for Muslim extremists in the U.S. I don't recall her or any other "leaders" vocalizing their outrage at that fact. Is it profiling? Perhaps but if the shoes fits...

So, my view is basically this: fuck her.

 

[DA SWO]

The "war" against ISIL is now illegal? Guess the EO on immigration is back burner now?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/10/politics/rand-paul-isis/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/11/10/obama-s-isis-war-is-illegal.html

From Rand Paul:

"Yale Professor Bruce Ackerman puts it succinctly: “The war against the Islamic State is now illegal. The War Powers Resolution of 1973 gave President Obama 60 days to gain consent from Congress and required him to end ‘hostilities’ within 30 days if he failed to do so. This 90-day clock expired this week.” And yet, there’s been no consent, and no end to the fighting.

I believe the president must come to Congress to begin a war. I also believe the War Powers Act is misunderstood; President Obama acted without true constitutional authority even before the 90 days expired, since we were not under attack at that time.

But in either case, this war is now illegal. It must be declared and made valid, or it must be ended.

Congress has a duty to act, one way or the other.

Taking military action against ISIS is justified. The president acting without Congress is not."

Then the Yale Professor should file a lawsuit.

 

[TLDR20]

Saw this today and it actually pisses me off:

How about they (so called Muslim leaders) go to the news and start asking ISIS, al-Shabab, and other Muslim extremists to do the same? The fact is that Minneapolis is proving itself as an apparent recruiting hot bed for Muslim extremists in the U.S. I don't recall her or any other "leaders" vocalizing their outrage at that fact. Is it profiling? Perhaps but if the shoes fits...

So, my view is basically this: fuck her.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...sis_baghdadi_caliphate_s_actions_against.html

 

[pardus]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...sis_baghdadi_caliphate_s_actions_against.html

Interesting and good to hear. Not sure I can believe/trust the message though.

 

[Etype]

^piss in the wind^

 

[Blizzard]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...sis_baghdadi_caliphate_s_actions_against.html

Thanks. Here are a few of my issues/concerns with the items presented in the article:

1. 120 scholars, give or take a few, for the largest religion in the world and only 10 are from the U.S. Perhaps I missed it, but I didn't see the name of the lady from my video anywhere on that list. So, we have 10?! Really? Where is the U.S. voice speaking to the issues of recruitment and extremism domestically? 9/11 hijackers trained in the Twin Cities, tens of men from Minneapolis go off to fight for al-Shabab, two men from the same high school in the Twin Cities went off to fight and die for ISIS. Does that not seem worthy of addressing? Does it imply a larger issue, especially since activities spans, what, 13 years? They need to step up.

2. Given #1, and that the letter has been drafted/posted on-line since at least mid-September, does anyone in the Muslim world even care? Are these 120 even note worthy? Is this the best they have to offer? ISIS/ISIL problem really began to explode late last year/early this year (yes, I understand they were around long before that but that's when they really started making significant advances). So, 9 months later, what do we have? We have an open letter that is carried in an article by an intern at a second rate media outlet. This is not a dig at you at all but how hard did you have to search for that article? Did Al-Jazeera or any of the other popular Muslim media networks publish it (Al Jazeera has on occasion published some of these in the opinion/editorial pages)? Perhaps more importantly, how about main stream media here? The point being that these 'leaders' need to go well above and beyond in making their voices heard, especially here....they didn't have an issue bitching to a major network, even if was a local one, about the FBI stopping by (which the FBI may do with many organizations as well).

3. The letter was not targeted at a broad audience, potential recruits, or npn-Muslims but rather Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. As a result, it still doesn't speak to the larger issue that is drawing extremists. In addition, the letter speaks in term of jihad and conflict against other Muslims as being illegitimate. How about conflict with non-Muslims? I'm always a bit of skeptic, especially when it comes to what is not said. There is a fairly long and established precedent around easily disolved relationships of convenience in that part of the world.

 

[TLDR20]

@Blizzard I'm not arguing with you.

 

[Kraut783]

 

[DA SWO]

View attachment 12050

Liked and stolen for posting elsewhere.

 

[Gunz]

Here's Denmark leading a parade of fools who think the way to deal with ISIS terrorists is to be nice to them...and why not, appeasement has worked so many times before. :-":wall::wall:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...16e8f3-515e-4adc-a2cb-c0261dd7dd4a_story.html

"AARHUS, Denmark — The rush of morning shoppers parted to make way for Talha, a lanky 21-year-old in desert camouflage and a long, religious beard. He strode through the local mall with a fighter’s gait picked up on the battlefields of Syria. Streams of young Muslim men greeted him like a returning king. As-salamu alaykum. Wa alaikum assalaam. In other countries, Talha — one of hundreds of young jihadists from the West who has fought in Syria and Iraq — might be barred from return or thrown in jail. But in Denmark, a country that has spawned more foreign fighters per capita than almost anywhere else, the port city of Aarhus is taking a novel approach by rolling out a welcome mat."

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Damn, I was hoping this one would turn out differently. I guess hope is not a strategy after all.

New Islamic State video appears to show murder of Peter Kassig -
Peter Kassig, 26, an aid worker and former U.S. soldier, was originally paraded at the end of a video released in October showing the murder of Briton Alan Henning.

Read full article

 

[Worldweaver]

"...In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds and shall find me unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate,
I am the captain of my soul."

-Henley

 

[Kraut783]

RIP Peter Kassig

http://america.aljazeera.com/articl...eheadingofusaidworkeringrislyonlinevideo.html