Israel and Iran

Watching a Candace Owens interview with Piers Morgan. Interview gets to a point where the Oct 7th attacks come up and it's brought up that Netanyahu may have known that something was up. Earlier in the thread we talked about the Israeli intelligence dropping the ball on things, now I'm starting to wonder if that wasn't true.

Around 12:40

Anyone have access to Haaretz Daily?
Netanyahu knew. Netanyahu ignored. Netanyahu is responsible | Editorial

U.S. official: Biden realized Netanyahu lied to him about hostage deal
 
I am very familiar with Haaretz.

It’s a Leftist publication owned in part by a Russian and as opposed to conservatism in Israel as MSNBC is opposed to it here. It has a history of antisemitic/anti-settlement editorials and is widely criticized—even by many liberal Jewish journalists here in the US.

In fact, it’s no different than any of the thousands of other MSM publications worldwide in its condemnation of Israeli policy, except that it’s probably more strident in its criticism of Netanyahu…comparable to the MSM’s treatment of Trump.

In other words, its content is suspect and deserves some skepticism.

As far as the Israeli intelligence community “dropping the ball” just prior to 10/7–as competent as it is, it’s not immune to lapses, over confidence and even complacency (see The War of Atonement, Oct 7 1973).
 
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Gunz said:
I am very familiar with Haaretz.

It’s a Leftist publication owned in part by a Russian and as opposed to conservatism in Israel as MSNBC is opposed to it here. It has a history of antisemitic/anti-settlement editorials and is widely criticized—even by many liberal Jewish journalists here in the US.

In fact, it’s no different than any of the thousands of other MSM publications worldwide in its condemnation of Israeli policy, except that it’s probably more strident in its criticism of Netanyahu…comparable to the MSM’s treatment of Trump.

In other words, its content is suspect and deserves some skepticism.

As far as the Israeli intelligence community “dropping the ball” just prior to 10/7–as competent as it is, it’s not immune to lapses, over confidence and even complacency (see The War of Atonement, Oct 7 1973).
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I don't trust the MSM or the people close to it, tbh I view them lower than scum. However, I want to know if they're telling the truth. It's odd that over a year after the Oct 7th attack, Israel will effectively control Gaza and has made gains on vital areas like the Golan heights. From a strategic standpoint they're sitting pretty.

As for anti-Semitic, anti-Islamic, etc., the terms have been used so much that they don't mean much anymore. Jewish and Islamic misbehavior and war against the west has been dismissed with those terms so often that the public has wised up.

(Figured this fit)
https://twitter.com/x/status/1870471576979914782

With how duplicitous the Israeli intelligence community is (Epstein, AIPAC, etc) I doubt they dropped the ball. In the video I posted, Owens mentions people within the Israeli intel community knowing an attack was incoming.
 
R.Caerbannog said:
I don't trust the MSM or the people close to it, tbh I view them lower than scum. However, I want to know if they're telling the truth. It's odd that over a year after the Oct 7th attack, Israel will effectively control Gaza and has made gains on vital areas like the Golan heights. From a strategic standpoint they're sitting pretty.

As for anti-Semitic, anti-Islamic, etc., the terms have been used so much that they don't mean much anymore. Jewish and Islamic misbehavior and war against the west has been dismissed with those terms so often that the public has wised up.

(Figured this fit)
https://twitter.com/x/status/1870471576979914782

With how duplicitous the Israeli intelligence community is (Epstein, AIPAC, etc) I doubt they dropped the ball. In the video I posted, Owens mentions people within the Israeli intel community knowing an attack was incoming.
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knowing an attack is coming is different from knowing the size and scope of an attack.
 
DA SWO said:
knowing an attack is coming is different from knowing the size and scope of an attack.
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I dunno bro, they had comms tapped for most of the senior leadership of Hamas, a la beeper incident. From a larger strategic aspect, Israel has made a lot of gains and done things in areas that they wouldn't have been able to otherwise.

I don't trust them any more than Haj and given their unscrupulous behavior I wouldn't put bloody handed arithmetic past them.
 
R.Caerbannog said:
I dunno bro, they had comms tapped for most of the senior leadership of Hezbollah, a la beeper incident. From a larger strategic aspect, Israel has made a lot of gains and done things in areas that they wouldn't have been able to otherwise.

I don't trust them any more than Haj and given their unscrupulous behavior I wouldn't put bloody handed arithmetic past them.
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Hezbollah is a lot more conventional than Hamas. So getting the beeper stuff into them is a lot easier than planning to stop what Hamas did. It's widely known that Shin Bet (Army Intelligence) had multiple failures. The all female CT unit sent up tons of reports that were ignored that may have had them more prepared on the military targets, but the concert was clearly a full on surprise.

But hey, we knew the Japanese would attack us, we just didn't know when or where and then...
 
ThunderHorse said:
But hey, we knew the Japanese would attack us, we just didn't know when or where and then...
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That whole debate is fascinating because we knew it and it was widely suspected that the Philippines was the target. After Pearl Harbor the narrative was that we didn't know anything, but it later came out we whitewashed that portion of history. That is how you start conspiracy theories, because people think there was a cover up and FDR knew Pearl would be hit. We knew, thought it was the PI, and when it happened in our backyard we played dumb.
 
AWP said:
That whole debate is fascinating because we knew it and it was widely suspected that the Philippines was the target. After Pearl Harbor the narrative was that we didn't know anything, but it later came out we whitewashed that portion of history. That is how you start conspiracy theories, because people think there was a cover up and FDR knew Pearl would be hit. We knew, thought it was the PI, and when it happened in our backyard we played dumb.
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Repeated 60 years later.
 
ThunderHorse said:
Hezbollah is a lot more conventional than Hamas. So getting the beeper stuff into them is a lot easier than planning to stop what Hamas did. It's widely known that Shin Bet (Army Intelligence) had multiple failures. The all female CT unit sent up tons of reports that were ignored that may have had them more prepared on the military targets, but the concert was clearly a full on surprise.

But hey, we knew the Japanese would attack us, we just didn't know when or where and then...
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Darn, my bad. Looks like I messed up one Haji group for another. My point is that the spooks at 8200 have commo information for everyone who steps foot into Israel, even US assets. So we better believe they had chatter on Hezbollah, Hamas, or any other two bit player operating in their AO.

Their SIGINT is notoriously unscrupulous. They're worse than the French when it comes to stealing secrets and tapping allies. I'm willing to entertain the concert may have been a surprise, but the push into other territories and Israeli response is what stinks.

AWP said:
That whole debate is fascinating because we knew it and it was widely suspected that the Philippines was the target. After Pearl Harbor the narrative was that we didn't know anything, but it later came out we whitewashed that portion of history. That is how you start conspiracy theories, because people think there was a cover up and FDR knew Pearl would be hit. We knew, thought it was the PI, and when it happened in our backyard we played dumb.
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Really? I've repeatedly brought up the Epstein intelligence fiasco and no one want's to admit that the Israeli's were pimping American girls for an intel op. Not to mention all the other political shenanigans the Israelis and Zionist Jews have been up to. I'm in academia and it glosses over huge parts of our history and that of other peoples, mainly Islam and Judaism. Wanna know what they teach? Diversity and that 5 year olds can pick their gender... :hmm:.

From a military and intelligence standpoint they are just as bad if not worse than the Iranians, Russians, Chinese, etc. Only difference is that these people have free reign in our nation and wield political influence on a vastly higher level.
 
Ooh-Rah said:
Say more about that?

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Epstein:
Ehud Barak met with Jeffrey Epstein dozens of times, flew on private plane — report
Epstein case sheds light on dark secrets of influential figures
Jeffrey Epstein book claims he and Ghislaine Maxwell were 'spies'

Banking:

Transgenderism:
Transgender History Month - AAHD
Trans Medicine, 1919

Culture Warfare:
The Astonishing Contributions of Jewish Women to the Radical Feminist Movement
Feminism in the United States | Jewish Women's Archive

Multiculturalism and the woke movemenet:
Did US Jews wake up on the wrong side of ‘woke’ progressive politics?
https://www.amazon.com/Woke-Antisem...c738dfdbd9649&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

@Ooh-Rah Would you like me to go back in the thread and pull the links to AIPAC, the speech laws they tried to pass, and all the other sources?
We also have a thread on the Epstein debacle that I did not link.
 
R.Caerbannog said:
Epstein:
Ehud Barak met with Jeffrey Epstein dozens of times, flew on private plane — report
Epstein case sheds light on dark secrets of influential figures
Jeffrey Epstein book claims he and Ghislaine Maxwell were 'spies'

Banking:

Transgenderism:
Transgender History Month - AAHD
Trans Medicine, 1919

Culture Warfare:
The Astonishing Contributions of Jewish Women to the Radical Feminist Movement
Feminism in the United States | Jewish Women's Archive

Multiculturalism and the woke movemenet:
Did US Jews wake up on the wrong side of ‘woke’ progressive politics?
https://www.amazon.com/Woke-Antisem...c738dfdbd9649&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
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Do you have a file somewhere with all these links just waiting to be copied and pasted? The point I was trying to make, is that this thread has nothing to do with Epstein (but I’m sure you will tell me why it does) that said, I’m going to move this over to the Epstein thread and keep this current thread as relatively on topic as it can be.
 
Ooh-Rah said:
Do you have a file somewhere with all these links just waiting to be copied and pasted? The point I was trying to make, is that this thread has nothing to do with Epstein (but I’m sure you will tell me why it does) that said, I’m going to move this over to the Epstein thread and keep this current thread as relatively on topic as it can be.
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I posted that because you quoted me on their intelligence apparatus and shenanigans here in the US.
 
R.Caerbannog said:
I posted that because you quoted me on their intelligence apparatus and shenanigans here in the US.
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After you brought up Epstein in a thread that has nothing to do with Epstein.

We can move on and let this go now. Please.

Watching Ping Pong GIF by Pudgy Penguins
 
R.Caerbannog said:
I dunno bro, they had comms tapped for most of the senior leadership of Hamas, a la beeper incident. From a larger strategic aspect, Israel has made a lot of gains and done things in areas that they wouldn't have been able to otherwise.

I don't trust them any more than Haj and given their unscrupulous behavior I wouldn't put bloody handed arithmetic past them.
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And ramp up to this


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As I've said before...why beat around the bush. Go big or go home.
 
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Gunz said:
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As I've said before...why beat around the bush. Go big or go home.
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Look, the nature of warfare is changing. If Iranian's are running an intelligence op on US soil, that's bad. The Iranian's having sympathizers in the State Dept guiding policy is bad too (it's earlier in the thread). Same with the Russians, same with the Chicoms. The Israeli's getting caught doing the same thing is not good either.

This is about foreign forces enacting policy, based on their interests, on our soil, using our governing mechanisms to accomplish them. It's about the whole dual loyalties thing. Think about it, how many people got screwed over by that one spy who leaked full operational rosters to the Vietnamese? Now apply that over a larger battle space, by having policy makers and information systems co-opted by enemy interests.

The reason I say this is because next war in the Middle East is going to spill over to the US. The barriers that once protected us have been down for a while. I'm a 1st gen American, fought against a hodgepodge of assholes in Iraq (Shia and Sunni), and I don't want my nation being taken advantage of by a foreign power. Nor do I want me or mine to fight in the interest of a foreign culture, who has brought fundamentally corrosive changes to our nation and culture.

You better believe that when Israel and Iran have their final spat, we're getting dragged in. Our money and technology are already in play. Same with our people. We spent 20+ years trying to stabilize the region, what has our blood and treasure bought?
 

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