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757 said:
HR 6090 is a piece of legislation I'm going back and forth on atm.

On the one hand, hate crimes are a thing in the US and I think they should be due to people like Dylan Roof, because it adds more teeth behind Racist degenerates who engage in unlawful activity.

I agree with HR 6090's section 3 (5) goal in that "The use of alternative definitions of antisemitism impairs enforcement efforts by adding multiple standards and may fail to identify many of the modern manifestations of antisemitism." I.E. antisemitism clearly falls under title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, but that doesn't mean much if we can't accurately define it.

That part I'm on board with.

However...

I'm also not a fan of DEI. And if this just adds "Jews" to the DEI list of "oppressed, have-nots" #Neo-Marxist...putting a cherry on top of a pile of crap does not suddenly make the pile of crap less crappy. DEI sucks and needs to be disbanded from anything publicly funded imo.

On the other hand, If somebody is posting all over social media stuff like, "Hitler was right" and then they get arrested assaulting somebody at one of these anti-Jewish Rallies, I'm all for an extra charge being thrown their way.

At any rate, I'm still early on in the research stage of things and I'm open to arguments.
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I am opposed to 6090.
1) It is being made in the heat of the moment.
2) What group do "you" belong to that could itself be protected, or even unprotected, from future bills?
3) This is just a bad precedent.
4) Our Congress has nothing else to do?

Like it or not, I think hate speech is considered to be free speech and this bill starts shutting down what we can't and can't say. That in mind, if someone drops an N bomb or whatever and takes an ass beating for their troubles? "Officer, the gentleman with the Nazi tattoos fell off the curb and that nice, young Black gentleman was helping him to his feet. That's what I saw."
 
AWP said:
I am opposed to 6090.
1) It is being made in the heat of the moment.
2) What group do "you" belong to that could itself be protected, or even unprotected, from future bills?
3) This is just a bad precedent.
4) Our Congress has nothing else to do?

Like it or not, I think hate speech is considered to be free speech and this bill starts shutting down what we can't and can't say. That in mind, if someone drops an N bomb or whatever and takes an ass beating for their troubles? "Officer, the gentleman with the Nazi tattoos fell off the curb and that nice, young Black gentleman was helping him to his feet. That's what I saw."
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I think those are fair points.

1) Elements of it do remind me of the Patriot Act, in terms of how it had a "good purpose" but was eventually used for a nefarious one.
2) Fair Point.
4) They get paid far more than they are worth, that's for damn sure...

3) The only push back I initially have is that it is directly tied, if I am reading it correctly, to title VI of the Civil Rights Act which just makes it illegal to discriminate based on somebody's race/religion/etc. Since that law is already on the books, this wouldn't necessarily set precedent, just further clarify definitions, which I am ok with. However, the government's ability to stretch laws to meet their goals really is a major sticking point, and may be the sticking point.

The last part actually reminds me of this scenario with some Marines :ROFLMAO:
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757 said:
HR 6090 is a piece of legislation I'm going back and forth on atm.

On the one hand, hate crimes are a thing in the US and I think they should be due to people like Dylan Roof, because it adds more teeth behind Racist degenerates who engage in unlawful activity.

I agree with HR 6090's section 3 (5) goal in that "The use of alternative definitions of antisemitism impairs enforcement efforts by adding multiple standards and may fail to identify many of the modern manifestations of antisemitism." I.E. antisemitism clearly falls under title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, but that doesn't mean much if we can't accurately define it.

That part I'm on board with.

However...

I'm also not a fan of DEI. And if this just adds "Jews" to the DEI list of "oppressed, have-nots" #Neo-Marxist...putting a cherry on top of a pile of crap does not suddenly make the pile of crap less crappy. DEI sucks and needs to be disbanded from anything publicly funded imo.

On the other hand, If somebody is posting all over social media stuff like, "Hitler was right" and then they get arrested assaulting somebody at one of these anti-Jewish Rallies, I'm all for an extra charge being thrown their way.

At any rate, I'm still early on in the research stage of things and I'm open to arguments.
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There are already laws on the books against discrimination and killing people. Why should the Jewish people and one of their organizations control speech? The First Amendment is first for a reason. Freedom of Religion is also one of our founding national principles and Christianity is part of that founding backbone.

Don't you find it odd that this tiny group of people are trying to criminalize core American structures and beliefs? The timing of which is very suspicious.
 
DA SWO said:
I'm going to a convention in Madison Wisconsin this July. Same time frame as the RNC Convention in Milwaukee.

Expressed concerns yesterday that we may get bleed over. Hope not.
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Madison and Milwaukee are worlds apart, even though only a 75min drive exists between the two.

If any protests happen in Madison, they stay pretty isolated to the bottom of State St (a street that runs 7 blocks from campus to the Capitol) at Library Mall or the top of State St in the 100 block looking at the Capitol building. They will take occasional strolls down or up State St. There is always a protest of some kind at the top of State St, varying in size from 10 to 100 people. It's just the normal there, and they largely get ignored.

Spend your time around the Capitol and the streets that shoot off of it (minus State St) and you would never know that one block away there is a protest. The best bars and restaurants are located around the Capitol Building and on these streets.

Plus, it will be summer, and most of the students disappear. It's by far the best time to visit.
 
R.Caerbannog said:
There are already laws on the books against discrimination and killing people. Why should the Jewish people and one of their organizations control speech? The First Amendment is first for a reason. Freedom of Religion is also one of our founding national principles and Christianity is part of that founding backbone.

Don't you find it odd that this tiny group of people are trying to criminalize core American structures and beliefs? The timing of which is very suspicious.
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This is relevant I promise, but...

Hypothetically, if a person is walking across the street and he/she gets hit by a car...what is your first course of action??? As in, what is the first thing you would do???
 
757 said:
This is relevant I promise, but...

Hypothetically, if a person is walking across the street and he/she gets hit by a car...what is your first course of action??? As in, what is the first thing you would do???
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Check my carry piece, make sure the car isn't turning around, then go grab them?
 
RackMaster said:
Domestic terrorism and/or aiding a foreign terrorist entity.
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Better to go the state charges...we don't have a Federal Domestic Terrorism statute, and the Federal material support to terrorism charges would be hard in these demonstrations. Plus, we can keep stacking state charges over and over and over....

Now, for the people that traveled out of state and caused violent demonstrations (riot)...there is a good Federal riot charge for that. They dusted off the dust on that charge in the Chattanooga riots.
 
From the Daily Mail:


"...On Saturday, the leader of Columbia protests was unmasked as a 40-year-old son of millionaire ad execs who lives in a four story Brooklyn townhouse. James Carlson, who also goes by Cody Carlson and Cody Tarlow, was arrested by the NYPD and charged with burglary and illegal entry after he stormed Columbia's Hamilton Hall and renamed it 'Hind' Hall.

James is the son of Richard Tarlow and Sandy Carlson Tarlow, millionaire advertising duo who started Carlson & Partners together and were known for their cosmetic and fashion clients including Revlon, Victoria’s Secret, Ralph Lauren and Neutrogena. He graduated Magna Cum Laude from Brooklyn Law School and later became an animal rights lawyer who clerked at the US District Court in 2013.

He also had a short stint as an undercover investigator on factory farms and slaughterhouses recording animal abuse, according to the publication. James is believed to be married to model Kim Heyrman and has two children while living in a $3.4 million Brooklyn brownstone townhouse in New York.

James is suspected of burning an Israeli flag during a demonstration three days ago and is believed to be 'previously involved in recent bridge and tunnel blocking', according to NBC News..."
 

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